Tractors and wood! Show your pics

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Very true!!!

The winch setup would probably be much faster than that crane unless you replace the hydraulic cylinder with an air over hydraulics cylinder run off of a small compressor.

Ken
 
   / Tractors and wood! Show your pics #4,552  
Very true!!!

The winch setup would probably be much faster than that crane unless you replace the hydraulic cylinder with an air over hydraulics cylinder run off of a small compressor.

Ken

The crane I was looking at had a hand winch on it. I don't think I'd have to change the height very often, as the trailer bed is only up to my knee. I'd just winch it up high enough to clear the bed and then pivot it around. But it was a hand winch, so I'd still be cranking the heck out of it.

Anyhow, what I'd really like is a hydraulic winch driven by a small gas motor mounted in the A frame behind the trailer jack. I could use the winch on the PT425 as well, that way. Electric is out, as the PT425 doesn't have nearly as big a battery and charging system that a winch requires.
 
   / Tractors and wood! Show your pics #4,553  
   / Tractors and wood! Show your pics #4,554  
Yeah, we've looked at that one earlier this week. I was looking more at a 1 ton truck crane. That, or a winch and parbuckle the logs up the side. I'm leaning toward the winch. It would be handy for a few more things around the place. I've got a 2" receiver mounted on the front of the trailer just for that reason.

Here's another option for loading: The "DanG Deadheader Log Lifter" with some photos of it in action. It's useful for loading logs on a trailer when you don;t have a tractor around. Simple concept, easy to "home-brew", an alternative to parbuckling if bringing the logs over the side of your trailer is not an option>

Dang Deadheader Log Lifter action photo sequence

Dang Deadheader Log Lifter more details

Some where on that site was a video of one in use, but I can't find it now.
 
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Oh the horror...
Wow John, you're an old veteran here. If you're like me, I don't know where the years went. You're tractor set up sounds really interesting and very appropriate for woods work. Pics would be great to see of the beast

Yeah, I've been around a while. Joined right around the time I bought my current tractor. My activity level here has been way up and down over the intervening years. I've often wondered what happened to some of the guys we considered "old veterans" back then.

My tractor is on the small side for "serious logging", but it fits my needs well. Sometimes I wish for bigger, but then I wouldn't be able to get into some of the places I can now.
Here's a few pictures of my current set-up:

Helping out on a community volunteer day to process firewood for our donation "Wood Bank". We did about 3 cords last year, plus had another 3 donated. We helped this local andowner clear his pasture to enlarge it, and he donated most of the wood. The log I'm carrying here is a beautiful American Elm. I calculated the weight at 1400#. It's all I can do to lift it a couple feet off the ground. This one is too nice for firewood. The landowner is setting it aside to get sawed up into lumber.

Tractor in logging mode.jpg

Here's when I first had the forestry mods done: Belly pan (which mostly attached to the backhoe sub-frame), Limb Risers, FOPS - Falling Object Protection (probably should have an extra set of posts coming from the rear loader frame attach points up to the front of the roof for extra strength - I may add them some day, but I went almost 15 years with nothing, so this is a huge improvement). I've been really happy with the forestry mods. I don't know how I got by all these years driving in the woods without the limb risers - driving through the woods is so much easier now. Unfortunately, I don't have any good pics of the belly pan. In this picture, I did not yet own the Log Grapple, and still had my box blade on instead of the logging winch, so it's not in "full logging mode".

Tractor Forestry mod.JPG

The story behind the Forestry Mods: I had always wanted to add these, but never could justify them to myself. Most of the time I'm on prepared trails and just winch the logs out to the trail from where I dropped the tree. I'm careful about where I park and what I do with the tractor. One day, I was driving the tractor through the woods. Not logging or doing any other activity to disturb things. No wind. All of the sudden, BAM! A tree branch fell from above, bounced off the roll bar, and a piece of it just grazed the side of my head and scratched my shoulder on the way down. Six inches in another direction, and I'd probably have been dead on the spot, or at best end up with a severe concussion/brain injury. I figured my woods were talking to me, and it was time I listened.

The modifications were done by an old timer who runs a fabrication shop a few miles down the road from me. I had seen the Forestry Modification work he's done on a couple of tractors owned by foresters and loggers in my area. He puts a lot of thought into what he does. He doesn't just slap on a guard. The belly pan has holes located to allow be to reach grease zerks (on larger tractors, he'll attach a metal tube and run the grease zerk out to a convenient location). The pan is in two pieces: the main part is bolted to my backhoe subframe. There is a smaller front section with a wrap-around side to protect the oil filter. This attaches by a tongue & groove joint to the main section, and the other end is held by two bolts. I can have it off for an oil change in a couple minutes, and it's light enough (despite being half inch thick steel) that I can handle it without special equipment. When he does the full package, there are engine guards and front, rear and side "cages" around the operator station. I didn't really need the rear cage wall, since the screen guard on my winch protects most of that area. I opted not to add the sides and front or the engine guard. I'm not using this for hard-core logging, and I have the luxury of taking my time - I'm not making a living at this, and don't have a quota to fill (which is a good thing, since I'd go broke producing firewood and saw logs at my pace).
 
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John, is that a Frost Bite Log Grapple (or Norse maybe) on your nice set-up. What do you think of it ??

gg
 
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The reason I use a tractor to hold the logs up in the air is to save my back, not the chain on my saw. And I can chunk them so fast with my MS660 that i am wasting very little tractor fuel. Most of the fuel is running back and forth from the pile of logs at the road to the splitter next to where i stack and use my wood. I do it one man and find that riding the tractor lets me rest from sawing and visa versa. Using the mini hoe bucket/thumb, the cuts are not obstructed like they are on a grapple bucket. It is pretty rare that i have to drop the chunk and pick it back up to clear for a cut. But I also do not care if the lengths of the chunks vary.

Ken
Best part is, unlike a dedicated grapple, you can cut the rounds out, right up to the last cut without all the steel of the grapple in the way.

When I cut over a trailer, with my pallet forks/grapple, I cut all the rounds out except the last two cuts, those get cut 80% through, then the "short piece" falls through the forks onto the other rounds and I make the last two cuts. It's very fast and works perfectly.

Doing it on the ground, all that bending over just kills your back and ends up being a lot slooower, in the long run.

As you get older, you work "smarter" and realize that all those things you did "just because you can" when you were younger, you end up paying for them BIG TIME, and I am!

SR
 
   / Tractors and wood! Show your pics #4,558  
Best part is, unlike a dedicated grapple, you can cut the rounds out, right up to the last cut without all the steel of the grapple in the way.

When I cut over a trailer, with my pallet forks/grapple, I cut all the rounds out except the last two cuts, those get cut 80% through, then the "short piece" falls through the forks onto the other rounds and I make the last two cuts. It's very fast and works perfectly.

Doing it on the ground, all that bending over just kills your back and ends up being a lot slooower, in the long run.

As you get older, you work "smarter" and realize that all those things you did "just because you can" when you were younger, you end up paying for them BIG TIME, and I am!

SR

Hey Rob,

I am in the dreaming stages of my next firewood purchase. I waffled back and forth about a kinetic splitter versus a three point with a PTO pump for quite a while, but I think I've settled on a rig like yours. After watching a bunch of videos of people using the kinetic splitters and seeing how fast they have to move, and how many times the wood moves back and forth, I think a hydraulic with a 4 or 6 way is the way to go.

Anyway, I'm gonna start a thread here in the next day or so about what I want to have built (gonna go with a local guy who builds commercial splitters). I'm hoping you'll drop in and give me some advice. If there's anything about your rig that you wish was different, I'd love to know about it, or if there's anything that you think is really dead on. I'm basically planning on having this guy build me a TW3hd, but he's a decent amount cheaper, and i can customize it however I want. I'll post a link to my thread here in an attempt to get some input from you and anyone else who uses a similar splitter.
 
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Sounds good, You should be able to pick up a TW3HD for $3500.00 (with table grate and 4-way wedge) and as far as I'm concerned, it uses some of the best quality, like Prince hydraulics.

How much do you think you can shave off that price using just as high of quality of components?

SR
 
   / Tractors and wood! Show your pics #4,560  
Sounds good, You should be able to pick up a TW3HD for $3500.00 (with table grate and 4-way wedge) and as far as I'm concerned, it uses some of the best quality, like Prince hydraulics.

How much do you think you can shave off that price using just as high of quality of components?

SR

The tw3hd is $3500. The table adds another $600 or something like that. I want to be able to split long pieces for my syrup cooker, so the upgrade to a 36" ram is another $795. Then freight is somewhere north of $500. The salesman figured that all said and done it'd be about $5500 delivered.

The guy in Eau Claire gave me a ballpark number of $3000 with the 36" ram and table included. I don't think that includes the pump. And, he's only an hour away, so i can pick it up. So, if i spend $500 on a prince pump I'll be about $2000 cheaper. His site is wolferidgemfg.com if anyone wants to see his stuff.
 

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