Let's talk 9mm hand guns

[Sysop]

Your entire post was very good, and I commend you for it!

I'd like to focus on the trigger pull points...
A light trigger (single action) can be a detriment in a stressful situation....too easy to have an accidental discharge. That long stiff pull of a Glock, Kahr and some Rugers is an advantage. It's unlikely one will be taking careful aim...most likely you'll be point shooting. Point shooting takes practice. Otherwise, if you're like me, you'll be shooting low.

On the other hand, that long stiff pull on a tiny short barreled CCW type pistol does hinder "fast accuracy". When you practice enough, you will reach that same conclusion. Millions of dollars and hours in testing have proven this to the manufacturers. This is why many pistols are only double action for the first shot and follow up shots are fired as single action. I personally want my first shot to count. I also want the feel of the trigger to remain the same throughout all shots I fire. I want my brain to be processing targets, not gun handling. Gun handling should be second nature, like remembering to breathe.

We're also talking about split second situations. In a split second situation, if both you and a bad guy take aim on each other at the same time, pull the triggers at the same time, a single action would fire first.

 

[kenmac]

Your entire post was very good, and I commend you for it!

I'd like to focus on the trigger pull points...
A light trigger (single action) can be a detriment in a stressful situation....too easy to have an accidental discharge. That long stiff pull of a Glock, Kahr and some Rugers is an advantage. It's unlikely one will be taking careful aim...most likely you'll be point shooting. Point shooting takes practice. Otherwise, if you're like me, you'll be shooting low.

that's why I carry the Taurus P111 G2. The first pull is quite long . The reset is very short.

I have shot probably a thousand rounds ,or more through mine without any issues.

I could probably carry a larger gun and it not bother me. I'm 6'2 235 to 240 depending on what my wife cooks that day LOL.

I just liked the way the double stack taurus 9 fit my hand over a single stack 9

 

[TripleR]

Really nothing new to add, I've owned or own various models of all the major brands. All are very reliable and it really does boil down, in my opinion, to personal preferences. My preference was Sig for many years, but our department changed its policy and allowed only G22, 23 and 27, so I learned to like the Glock. Yes it's ugly, clunky etc., but it goes bang every time you pull the trigger and is easy to customize to fit you, so my carry semi-autos are the G23 and G27. My department, like many others, are taking a look at the 9mm, the .40 will still be allowed along side the 9mm models, so the 9mm is gaining popularity and is again considered by many to be sufficiently effective.

As I get older and deeper into retirement however, I find myself carrying a snub J Frame S&W more and more.

 

[JerryK]

I have a G17, mostly because I want something I don't want to baby [worry about keeping it clean or dry ] that will go bang. Don't plan on concealed carry, if I need to carry it, it will be in my hip holster along with the spare mags. I learned in Nam that having something that needed to be cleaned/baby'd is not the way to go.

 

[Zerk]

All this talk of triggers. I suspect anyone who has actually fired one even notices.

**** even hunting, when that buck comes out are you thinking I wish I had a timney?

I really appreciate good triggers when shooting paper

I doubt in real life anyone stops pulling until it fires. Shooting new guns I have.

 

[Sysop]

It's not a matter of what one notices. It's a matter of speed in getting the bang on the bad guy. The difference may only be milliseconds, but the fact is when you don't have as far to pull, the bang happens faster. That doesn't even go into the discussion of 'the less you have to squeeze, the less likely you will squeeze out of aim'...

 

[two_bit_score]

Time for my CHL and Ive decieded on a 9mm. Ive always been a long gun type person since I was 7 years old. Educate me on 9mm's please, Ones that are good and ones that you wouldnt want. So far I like the Glock 17 but its not set in stone.

This seems to be a real nice 9mm.

Kimber America | Micro 9 Pistols

 

[coobie]

Time for my CHL and Ive decieded on a 9mm. Ive always been a long gun type person since I was 7 years old. Educate me on 9mm's please, Ones that are good and ones that you wouldnt want. So far I like the Glock 17 but its not set in stone.

Glock 43,Smith & Wesson shield,Older model S&W 3913 or 3914,CZ model P10-c,CZ model 75 PCR compact all in 9mm. I would go handle a few pistols at your local gun shop.Maybe find a firing range that lets you rent pistols and shoot a few that fits your hand.

 

[Zerk]

It's not a matter of what one notices. It's a matter of speed in getting the bang on the bad guy. The difference may only be milliseconds, but the fact is when you don't have as far to pull, the bang happens faster. That doesn't even go into the discussion of 'the less you have to squeeze, the less likely you will squeeze out of aim'...

This just silly drama. The time for single action or double action pull will not make a difference. The time to flip the safety off on 1911 might, especially if not second nature.

 

[fried1765]

I have a Ruger LC9 permitted for concealed carry. Not a bad size but I really can't compare it to other similar 9mm semis. And my choices were limited given what was on the California approved gun list at the time. In California we don't have the same choices as you all do in some other states. I like the gun and I shot well with it in my CCW qualification, but it has a bit of a long trigger pull which takes some getting used to. I would have likely gone with a couple of others I preferred at the time based on reviews, but, as I said, I live in California.

I also have a Ruger 357 Magnum revolver - permitted for concealed carry, but a bit heavy for that.

You can make your Ruger LC9 into the perfect concealed carry gun.
Go to the "Galloway Precision" website (a gunsmith in North Carolina).
You can buy an LC9 trigger "short stroke" conversion kit, that is absolutely excellent.
I had him do the conversion for me, and had him take out the magazine safety also.
I now have a very nice CC gun, that is easy/comfortable to use.