Let's talk 9mm hand guns

   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #121  
Myself, not grip extensions. In fact I am more likely to buy the gun with smaller grip. Since it is for concealing. Now for shooting paper, ya buy a gun with a big grip.
Yes generally small grip for CC and big grip for target practice but having a relatively larger more comfortable grip is bigly important in my book even for concealed carry because of my hand size. Last thing I want is it have half my sweaty palm under the butt and not confident of my grip in a stress situation. Just my :2cents: I also find I practice more with guns that are more comfortable to me.
 
   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #122  
I also find I practice more with guns that are more comfortable to me.

You hit the nail on the head IMO, particularly when it comes to new shooters NOT familiar with guns.

We all have our opinions on what is the "best" gun for any purpose, but ultimately IMO it comes down to how proficient you are with the gun, and what works best for you may not work best for someone else.

Whenever I have new shooters over at my place not familiar with firearms, I always start them off with the smallest caliber I own, which is a .22LR (both handgun and rifle). Then we work our way up from there to see what the person is most comfortable with shooting and actually being able to hit the target. Like anything else, good practice makes the person better at whatever task they are trying to be proficient in. I kind of cringe when I'm in the pressense of a group of shooters and non shooters and someone breaks out a large caliber handgun or rifle and wants it to be the first gun a non shooter shoots for the first time (just look at all the idiots on youtube that seem to think it's funny watching someone not familiar shooting handle a large caliber weapon).

I don't consider myself overly recoil sensitive, but I can tell you for a fact that I will NEVER own another large caliber handgun (.44 mag or bigger) with a short (less than 4") barrel, because even though the gun may look "bad", the fact is I'd be lucky to hit the broad side of a barn at 50 yards after the first round (not to mention it seems my smith .44 with a small barrel will cause tempory night blindness due to the muzzle flash LOL). Put that same .44 round in a 8" or longer barrel, heavier gun, and it's a hoot shooting at 100 yards.

When it comes to concealing a handgun, the question becomes how much work do you want to put into actually concealing the gun vs how comfortable it is for you to carry IMO. For myself, a Glock 19, Sig 228/229 or most other semi's with around a 4" barrel and "standard" grip size really isn't that hard to conceal being prepared to actually try to coneal it (heck, with work, you could conceal a 92F, although it may not be too comfortable driving with it on). The reality is I have more than a couple of "pocket" pistols, but I've found those just sit in the safe because I shoot the "standard" 4" guns much better at distances over 25 yards, and the reality is other than making the time of putting leather around my waist, those same 4" guns are pretty easy to carry and no one knows I'm actually carrying them.

When it comes to carrying a handgun for self defense, the first rule of thumb I've come to understand is that each person is different, and what works best for myself may not work for someone else.

If you use a small gun with small grips because you're good with it, it's the perfect answer. That said, if you use a larger gun with larger grips because you're good with it, it's also the perfect answer. There is no right or wrong, only what works best for you.

On a sidenote, and not to start a caliber "war", I do find it somewhat amusing that it seems the 9mm is "making a comeback" and people use the new defensive rounds available as to the reason why (goes back how many decades ago when people were always arguing what was better, the 9 or 45 LOL). I won't argue the reason may have to do with people thinking that "newer" rounds are better for defensive purposes, but just like the .45, for the 9 I have no qualms for carrying hardball ammo for defensive purposes if need be. People will always go back to the Miami shootout and how the feds figured that they must of been underpowered with the 9, but the fact is sometimes you just run out of luck when you're put in a bad situation. Seemed at the time IMO the easiest way to explain the carnage caused by a couple of bad guys was to blame it on the round. That said, I still think the 10mm is one of the best defensive rounds produced for a semi auto, and I sold my .40 a long time ago and won't get another in that caliber (.40). That's because I can shoot the 10mm just as well if not better than a .40 (go figure), but I also realize that this may not be the case the case for everyone else, because what works best for me, may not work best for you:thumbsup:
 
Last edited:
   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #123  
The reality is I have more than a couple of "pocket" pistols, but I've found those just sit in the safe because I shoot the "standard" 4" guns much better at distances over 25 yards, and the reality is other than making the time of putting leather around my waist, those same 4" guns are pretty easy to carry and no one knows I'm actually carrying them.


I most often carry a pocket pistol since it's always the easiest way to carry (for me). As Joe wrote, these aren't the guns that are going to be the tack drivers at 25 yards...not their designed purpose. When I practice with one of these, it's most frequently a .38 snubby with a 2" barrel (a Taurus Model 85 air-weight...and this one has been carried frequently since I bought it in the early 90's). I practice about 5 yards, give or take, since that's self defense range. And I'm not concerned about hitting a bullseye....only center of mass.
Since I bought the Kahr CW9, I'll probably carry that pretty often once it's broken in and I'm fairly proficient with it. This one will be primarily pocket carried too.

Also, adding to Joe's comments about dressing for the firearm...invest in a good gun belt. I get mine from this gent: Bullhide CCW Gun Belts for Concealed and Open Carry by Beltman
A proper belt will keep the holster and gun in place with minimal sag from the weight of the gun.
 
   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #124  
I wonder if she will stick with it. I bought a few guns, until I was honest with myself, that I wanted it for carry and not shooting.

I used to carry small of back too, then read something about having it right on your spine, isn't the best idea. Maybe not a big deal for a girl if she lives a good life.


Once upon a time while at some government academy I attended they mentioned carrying handguns back there. Something regarding a cop who was paralyzed due to a traffic accident. He got rear ended and the gun somehow furthered the damage. I could see it happening I suppose if it's a bad wreck just because it's a very hard object. It might also make her sit oddly which can lead to back problems. Anyways that advice always kept me from carrying anything back there like that and seem to make good sense.
I don't see how anybody can hide 45 automatic. I get forced to do it a couple of times in the army because he were to cheat qualified me with the 38. So I get stuck working plainclothes with a colt 45 shoved down the front of my side pants which was about the best I could come up with or anybody else for that matter . It worked but we were mostly sitting which was a very good thing.
To each their own but if it was me I would encourage her to carry something more suited to CC. There's lots to choose from and after all the Colt 45 was never designed or intended for that particular mission.
 
   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #125  
Once upon a time while at some government academy I attended they mentioned carrying handguns back there. Something regarding a cop who was paralyzed due to a traffic accident. He got rear ended and the gun somehow furthered the damage. I could see it happening I suppose if it's a bad wreck just because it's a very hard object. It might also make her sit oddly which can lead to back problems. Anyways that advice always kept me from carrying anything back there like that and seem to make good sense.
I don't see how anybody can hide 45 automatic. I get forced to do it a couple of times in the army because he were to cheat qualified me with the 38. So I get stuck working plainclothes with a colt 45 shoved down the front of my side pants which was about the best I could come up with or anybody else for that matter . It worked but we were mostly sitting which was a very good thing.
To each their own but if it was me I would encourage her to carry something more suited to CC. There's lots to choose from and after all the Colt 45 was never designed or intended for that particular mission.

I carried a .45acp in 1911 Gold Cup trim for several years as a LEO. When in uniform it was in a typical Safariland thumb break holster and when in plainclothes it was in a IWB leather holster I had custom made. It worked well for me and I carried it strong side behind my right hip. I am rather large.Also when working in plainclothes (suit and jacket and tie) also usually carried handcuffs and a collapsible metal baton. Yes, all that hardware concealed under my coat. I was younger then, and the weight didn't bother me. :)

For normal plainclothes walking around, I just carried the Gold Cup in the IWB holster.
 
   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #126  
Regarding Talon vs Hogue, I greatly prefer the Talon because when applied carefully, they look like they are an OEM part of the gun and not an obvious add-on like the Hogue. And the slight additional grip is just what's needed for skinny single-stack grips.
 
   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #127  
Regarding Talon vs Hogue, I greatly prefer the Talon because when applied carefully, they look like they are an OEM part of the gun and not an obvious add-on like the Hogue. And the slight additional grip is just what's needed for skinny single-stack grips.

Couldn't agree more..
 
   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #128  
Most important is having a gun with you. Even if it is a poor choice.
 
   / Let's talk 9mm hand guns #130  
How about a rifle that uses a pistol cartridge and shares the same pistol magazine . The Kel-Teck is 9mm or 40S&W and uses Glock 17/19/22/23 mags or Sig Sauer 226, or Beretta 92/96 mags .
The Citadel M1 is 9mm and uses Beretta 92FS mags.

SUB-2

Chiappa Firearms - M1-9 CARBINE
I have a lone wolf lower/rock river upper carbine that takes 9mm glock mags. I like it.
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2018 Chevrolet Tahoe 4x4 SUV (A50324)
2018 Chevrolet...
2015 Chevrolet Equinox 2LT SUV (A50324)
2015 Chevrolet...
2015 FREIGHTLINER CASCADIA(INOPERABLE) (A52472)
2015 FREIGHTLINER...
8' Dodge Truck Bed (A50121)
8' Dodge Truck Bed...
2015 JLG Triple-L Flatbed T/A Trailer (A50323)
2015 JLG Triple-L...
2023 John Deere FC 15R (A50120)
2023 John Deere FC...
 
Top