Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[houstonscott]

Oh please, if that were the case with Tesla these things would be all over the news. We've owned ours for over two years and it's been flawless. All the owners I know are also pretty happy with theirs as well. I can speak from actual owner experience, what can you speak to?

Two-Thirds of Earliest Tesla Drivetrains To Need Replacement In 6, Miles, Owner Data Suggests Real Or Imagined: Is The Tesla Model S Drivetrain Defective? Catastrophic battery pack failure | Tesla Motors Club deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2 I could link these all night. To answer your question, why isn't this all over the news. Answer is news is controlled by big liberals who want to push a hoax about CO2 and man made global warming. So they spike this stuff. Understand?

 

[California]

You want a battery operated car fine, leave me alone.

Would you please consider unsubscribing from this thread?

I think we would all be happier.

It's for your own good. We really didn't intend to tweak your conspiracy paranoia by our posts.

 

[buickanddeere]

Anyone here like to listen to environmental preaching from someone who thinks they are holy for their belief that they are saving the world ?

 

[xring100]

The bolt has an electric heater somewhere in the 6-7kw range for the passenger compartment. It has 3 separate coolant circuits. It heats up as faster or faster than a gas engine and has plenty of heat even at -20°f
The other coolant loops sepereate reservoirs i believe they are for the battery, motor and or its onboard 7.2 kw converter. The engine is actually capable of ~160kw 200 hp. It has a dc fast charge option and will charge at 50 kw/hr 80% of charge in 1 hour. Charging on 110v charger is not practical as the included charger will only add about 3-4 miles of range an hour assuming about 3.5 mi/kwhr in warmer weather assume about 2-2.5 im cold. It would take 50 hours to charge the battery from zero on 110v versus 9 hours on a 7.2 kw level 2 charger.

 

[California]

Anyone here like to listen to environmental preaching from someone who thinks they are holy for their belief that they are saving the world ?

I hope you aren't mistaking my curiosity over something new, with preaching. Or claiming virtue. That wasn't my intent in starting this thread.

I see something new, I want to know more about it. I'm glad to see posters like xring and others contribute what they know. I'm learning a lot.

 

[vvanders]

Two-Thirds of Earliest Tesla Drivetrains To Need Replacement In 6, Miles, Owner Data Suggests Real Or Imagined: Is The Tesla Model S Drivetrain Defective? Catastrophic battery pack failure | Tesla Motors Club deadspin-quote-carrot-aligned-w-bgr-2 I could link these all night. To answer your question, why isn't this all over the news. Answer is news is controlled by big liberals who want to push a hoax about CO2 and man made global warming. So they spike this stuff. Understand?

Oh I get it now, it's just one giant conspiracy.

I'll echo what was said before, if you don't like EVs your welcome to unsubscribe and enjoy the rest of TBN. I don't think you'll find much support for conspiracy theories here.

 

[houstonscott]

Oh I get it now, it's just one giant conspiracy. I'll echo what was said before, if you don't like EVs your welcome to unsubscribe and enjoy the rest of TBN. I don't think you'll find much support for conspiracy theories here.

You asked why the Tesla failures are not all over the news, I gave you my answer. Back to Tesla, not a good car by any standard. Let's not refer to them in an electric car thread as a success then, rather as a failure.

 

[Redneck in training]

True, in the short term future. But in the far, far future (assuming some cheeto doesn't blow up the world), imagine the effects of:
1) Millions of people who now have a substantial energy (battery) storage device (that's also their car), combined with:
2) A (instantaneous) demand based electricity market, where all users can buy and sell at different times of the day based on the market (demand /prices). (Through "smart chargers" tied into an app on your smart phone that monitors the "market") Think about:
3) The stabilizing effect on the grid that this would have to counter the destabilizing effect of wind and solar.

It would revolutionize / and decentralize the energy industry like desk top computers did to computing industry in the 90's.
Example: Say, for my 30 mile daily commute, I only need to use 15% of my car's stored energy. Say I bought that energy during a sunny and windy day when electricity was 7 cents/kw-hr. Now I see it's a super hot/cold day, or night, or wind isn't blowing, etc. and energy is selling for 14cents/kw-hr....

This will reduce need for base loading grid with coal or nukes.
This would reduce loading on long distant transmission lines, as power would be more localized and/or flattened usage spikes.
This will also drive "smart appliances" that you can program so your dish washer only turns on when price falls below (say) 11cent/kw-hr.

PV system with batteries integrated to the grid are already in operation in Australia. People are making money suppliying power on spot market based on instant cost.

 

[Redneck in training]

I would hate to think my electricity would double just because the wind stopped blowing...

There is always wind blowing somewhere. It is matter of scale over large area. The bottleneck is energy transmission over long distances.

 

[RSKY]

I can understand somebody having an electric as a second vehicle for urban use. A Bolt would be ideal for my wife and I to run to the grocery or hardware store which are less than five miles away. It could also be used to visit ONE child and return home. But stretch that trip to visit the second daughter, or just about any other added side trip, and we would be sweating by the time we got home. Then as soon as it is plugged in we get a call that a parent is sick and we must immediately pick them up and drive thirty miles to a hospital. We would be sitting on the side of the road wondering how we are going to charge it up and make it home.

Gas, or diesel, has the advantage of running continuously for days with only short stops for refueling. Electric, at this time, has major downtime to refuel. That factor makes electric cars unusable as the main driver for most families.

Factor in that once government subsidies are pulled the cost goes up greatly.

So as an around town urban runabout they would be great especially if in the form of a small SUV. As the main driver for a typical on the go family and they would be just short of totally impractical.

I would love to have one as a third vehicle for short trips. But I will not give up my large SUV or pickup truck for one.

Just my opinion.

RSKY