Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

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Looks like the CO2 problem will be reduced as more renewable plants come online. Here's an investment analyst's take:

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Research analysts at Morgan Stanley believe that renewable energy like solar and wind power are hurtling towards a level of ubiquity where not even politics can hinder them. Renewable energy is simply becoming the cheapest option, fast. Basic economics, the analysts say, suggest that the US will exceed its commitments in the Paris agreement regardless of whether or not president Donald Trump withdraws.

We project that by 2020, renewables will be the cheapest form of new-power generation across the globe, with the exception of a few countries in Southeast Asia, the Morgan Stanley analysts said in a report published Thursday.

By our forecasts, in most cases favorable renewables economics rather than government policy will be the primary driver of changes to utilities carbon emissions levels

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These guys are betting real dollars on being right. I think their conclusions are persuasive even to those who don't believe in science. Times change. The future is arriving faster than some realize.

The amount of the world's CO2 removed by these trillions of dollars worth of CO2 plants will only make a .000000000000001 percent difference in world CO2 levels. Other than making Al Gore and friends richer and Democrats feel clean enviroments after spending somebody else's money. The removal of the CO2 , which happens to be plant food btw Will make zero atmospheric difference . Have none of you ever ran the math on world's CO2 mass in tons and the tiny fraction of influence CO2 has as a minor greenhouse gas compared to the other greenhouse gases. Driving an EV and believing that one's self is stopping "climate change" is a delusion .

 

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The amount of the world's CO2 removed by these trillions of dollars worth of CO2 plants will only make a .000000000000001 percent difference in world CO2 levels. Other than making Al Gore and friends richer and Democrats feel clean enviroments after spending somebody else's money. The removal of the CO2 , which happens to be plant food btw Will make zero atmospheric difference . Have none of you ever ran the math on world's CO2 mass in tons and the tiny fraction of influence CO2 has as a minor greenhouse gas compared to the other greenhouse gases. Driving an EV and believing that one's self is stopping "climate change" is a delusion .

The entire AGW/CO2 theory is based on the greenhouse gas theory which itself has been debunked by several of the greatest scientific minds of the modern world...including Richard Feynman who states that "science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"...BTW he also discovered the cause of the Challenger disaster...

Citations:

Physicist Richard Feynman Discredits Greenhouse Gas Theory | Principia Scientific International

Richard Feynman - Wikipedia

 

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The entire AGW/CO2 theory is based on the greenhouse gas theory which itself has been debunked by several of the greatest scientific minds of the modern world...including Richard Feynman who states that "science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"...BTW he also discovered the cause of the Challenger disaster...

Citations:

Physicist Richard Feynman Discredits Greenhouse Gas Theory | Principia Scientific International

Richard Feynman - Wikipedia

Are you kidding us? Feynman freaking DIED 30 years ago, never worked in the field of climatology and did a single "thought experiment" that you believe closes the door on AGW?? Surely you are taking your bromance (or necromance) to an extreme here.

Nobel lauréats make big mistakes when they tread outside their acknowledged area of expertise. Do you remember the Nobel laureate who thought vitamin C was the answer to the common cold. Did you know Feynman's eccentricities included a refusal to brush his teeth, which he advised others not to do on national television, despite dentists showing him scientific studies that supported the practice?

Quoting a fake scientific news site with the implication that Feynman is an active participant in current climate debates is BS.

 

[buickanddeere]

The entire AGW/CO2 theory is based on the greenhouse gas theory which itself has been debunked by several of the greatest scientific minds of the modern world...including Richard Feynman who states that "science is the belief in the ignorance of experts"...BTW he also discovered the cause of the Challenger disaster...

Citations:

Physicist Richard Feynman Discredits Greenhouse Gas Theory | Principia Scientific International

Richard Feynman - Wikipedia

Amen /pine .

 

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Amen /pine .

Yep. Nothing but a prayer to back up Feynman's thought experiment.

 

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Quoting a fake scientific news site with the implication that Feynman is an active participant in current climate debates is BS.

Always attack the messenger...that is the left's way...

The whole climate debate is based on the GHG theory that could be as far off the wall as the AGW theory...which is hardly a way to an Occam's razor explanation of why the planet's weather will always be changing...

 

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Always attack the messenger...that is the left's way...

The whole climate debate is based on the GHG theory that could be as far off the wall as the AGW theory...which is hardly a way to an Occam's razor explanation of why the planet's weather will always be changing...

Quite the opposite. I am attacking the simple fact that there is not a shred of scientific data quoted by either you or Feynman. In God We Trust. All others must show DATA.

I haven't looked into it but given Feynman's reputation I'm sure climatologists have read his thought experiment paper. The fact that it is virtually never quoted anymore except by pseudoscience websites says a lot.

Thought experiments are sometimes helpful especially in theoretical physics but they must be backed up with empirical evidence based on testable theory. Leonardo DaVinci was even more of a genius and polymath than Feynman. Would you trust your life to one of his flying machines?

 

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Quite the opposite. I am attacking the simple fact that there is not a shred of scientific data quoted by either you or Feynman. In God We Trust. All others must show DATA.

I haven't looked into it but given Feynman's reputation I'm sure climatologists have read his thought experiment paper. The fact that it is virtually never quoted anymore except by pseudoscience websites says a lot.

Thought experiments are sometimes helpful especially in theoretical physics but they must be backed up with empirical evidence based on testable theory. Leonardo DaVinci was even more of a genius and polymath than Feynman. Would you trust your life to one of his flying machines?

You should read what I cited...the web site is not a pseudo anything...they are 100% legit...in fact they are one of few that offer unbiased, factual information...unlike any that you would probably cite regardless of their biases...! there are NO university web sites that are not biased, NONE...which makes it easy for the new deniers to say if it does not say something like MIT.edu it's not legit or is in some way bogus merely because of the content they offer...
liberals are so gullible...they even believe what they hear on CNN...it comes from all those years of only getting their news from a couple of fake news shows on Comedy Central...!

 

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You should read what I cited...the web site is not a pseudo anything...they are 100% legit...in fact they are one of few that offer unbiased, factual information...unlike any that you would probably cite regardless of their biases...! there are NO university web sites that are not biased, NONE...which makes it easy for the new deniers to say if it does not say something like MIT.edu it's not legit or is in some way bogus merely because of the content they offer...
liberals are so gullible...they even believe what they hear on CNN...it comes from all those years of only getting their news from a couple of fake news shows on Comedy Central...!

Come on slash, we're not that dumb. Principia Scentific International is a right wing blog "following the principles of Karl Popper". For cripes sake, any organization that follows the principles of any social philosopher is NOT a legitimate scientific body. They have a body of second rate scientists and non scientists on their board and are WAY out of the heart of scientific inquiry. And, to out of hand dismiss every US university website (and presumably all university research scientists) is just evidence of how deeply you value politics over science. You're a smart guy but your political beliefs blind you to any science that doesn't support your philosophy. Stalin felt the same way.

 

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Come on slash, we're not that dumb. Principia Scentific International is a right wing blog "following the principles of Karl Popper". For cripes sake, any organization that follows the principles of any social philosopher is NOT a legitimate scientific body. They have a body of second rate scientists and non scientists on their board and are WAY out of the heart of scientific inquiry. And, to out of hand dismiss every US university website (and presumably all university research scientists) is just evidence of how deeply you value politics over science. You're a smart guy but your political beliefs blind you to any science that doesn't support your philosophy. Stalin felt the same way.

Doc...sorry to say your Internet shrink skills are not too sharp...I despise politics and love science (not debatable science, proven science)...
Let me ask you something...Do you honestly think that the mainstream news media (both broadcast and cable) offer unbiased information?
FYI there is not a university web site (publishing medium) that is not equally biased...it's the law of the land...
Realize it or not...There is now...No longer any so called journalist that cannot be considered biased (the cat is out of the bag)...we have learned that even Walter Cronkite used his liberal bias even when most Americans took his word for gospel...

Scientists and other researchers are no different...they are all going to obtain a political bias as part of their education and learning process...they carry it into their professions...when they publish anything they are certainly not going to take the side that conflicts with their own philosophies...

That's one of the biggest problems with America today...too many liberal professors influencing developing minds in a misguided direction...it's a wonder there are so many that see through the fact that the majority of said professors could not make it in the real world..."so they teach"...!