Make sure you get your permits before plowing your fields...

[Oldoak]

It's the NIMBYs that need to be strictly regulated! Too many moving into rural agricultural areas and wanting farmers to be restricted as to what and how they can raise animals and crops.

Then they want their creature comforts of the cities they left behind. e.i., paved roads, street lights, roads plowed before the snow even stops falling, etc. Then comes their demand for zoning and so on, like a cancer on our rural lifestyle.

 

[IslandTractor]

It's the NIMBYs that need to be strictly regulated! Too many moving into rural agricultural areas and wanting farmers to be restricted as to what and how they can raise animals and crops.

Then they want their creature comforts of the cities they left behind. e.i., paved roads, street lights, roads plowed before the snow even stops falling, etc. Then comes their demand for zoning and so on, like a cancer on our rural lifestyle.

So I guess you are fine with a hog farm abutting either your home or your kid's school. I'm sure you must also be cool with agricultural chemicals in your well water or lakes.

 

[Larry Caldwell]

Ignorant urbanoids don't know the difference between a plow and a subsoiler.

 

[Oaktree]

Ignorant urbanoids don't know the difference between a plow and a subsoiler.

Pretty ignorant statement yourself there dude. I'm as much of a country boy as it gets and I don't know the difference between the two. Never even heard of a subsoiler before this thread. Mostly dairy farming around here, what passes for soil in our neck of the woods is mostly rocks so we don't plow many fields.

So I guess you are fine with a hog farm abutting either your home or your kid's school. I'm sure you must also be cool with agricultural chemicals in your well water or lakes.

I think what Oldoak was commenting about was about people who move to the country then complain that the manure pile smells. The farms were there first.

 

[IslandTractor]

I think what Oldoak was commenting about was about people who move to the country then complain that the manure pile smells. The farms were there first.

Understand and agree. However, remember that at one time Manhattan was farm land. Times change. Urban sprawl isn't going to stop until the population stops growing. At the same time, it is patently ridiculous for someone to buy land in the country and then complain about existing agricultural operations.

More to the point of this thread, agricultural regulation can help farmers as well as the public interest. If a hog farm is run by the book then that is a good defense against anyone who complains. I presume that hog farms are restricted from being next to schools, churches, etc etc. Regulations may sometimes be noxious but they also serve as markers that protect both sides. Good fences make good neighbors.

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

Ignorant urbanoids don't know the difference between a plow and a subsoiler.

The only people that would know the diff between the two are people that needed them or used them both, I have lived in the country all my life, only in the past 6 months, after I bought a tractor and got cattle did I find out the difference, I have asked members of the family that own a 600 acre farm about a pasture rejuvenator and they didn't know what it was, they know what rippers are but don't think they use subsoilers.

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

If you guys enjoy gravel roads that never get plowed, creeks full of sewage and chemicals keep complaining about people who enjoy having a cleaner and safer country.

I lived in the deep woods of Ohio for 4 years, took a 30 min drive threw the hills just to get cell service, low population area but your **** right I liked to be able to swim in the creek on the property, in the winter I wasn't sliding down a hill trying to get to work. I loved it down there but had to move closer to work.

For guys to complain about cleaner water, paved and plowed roads in the country is just silly.

Folks who bring more taxes and money to the country is welcomed, a few might get stupid about country living but most adapt well, I know a lot of people on here that were city folks, moved to the country and bought a tractor.

 

[Oaktree]

Folks who bring more taxes and money to the country is welcomed, a few might get stupid about country living but most adapt well, I know a lot of people on here that were city folks, moved to the country and bought a tractor.

I have no problems with people who move here from "the city" and make a genuine effort to fit in. Yeah, sometimes it's a bit amusing when a newcomer buys an LL Bean flannel shirt and a toyota truck and think they're one of the boys, but at least their intentions are in the right place. My (and I'd guess most peoples') issue is with those who move to the sticks, then complain that there's no trash pickup or that their neighbor has junk in their yard or that the neighbor's livestock stinks. If you want a bunch of restrictive rules about how you (or your neighbors) live, stay in suburbia.

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

I have no problems with people who move here from "the city" and make a genuine effort to fit in. Yeah, sometimes it's a bit amusing when a newcomer buys an LL Bean flannel shirt and a toyota truck and think they're one of the boys, but at least their intentions are in the right place. My (and I'd guess most peoples') issue is with those who move to the sticks, then complain that there's no trash pickup or that their neighbor has junk in their yard or that the neighbor's livestock stinks. If you want a bunch of restrictive rules about how you (or your neighbors) live, stay in suburbia.

Something I found that was interesting, I have 3-4 head of cattle on a 1.5 acre pasture, my neighbor has 8 head of a total of 4 acres, I can walk out my back door and have never once smelled crap.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Interesting thread, and pretty much expresses both sides of the equation. I was raised as a country boy, and wouldn't trade it for anything close...but I spent over 20 years in the field of environmental regulation, and can testify that things can get out of hand. Family farms for the most part, do not and have not caused problems except for the city slickers who don't want to see animals having sex, pooping, and the attendant smells and sounds. These folks should Get TFO.

On the other hand, if you have ever seen or been near a corporate CAFO....Confined Animal Feeding Operation, you can see, smell and hear the problem. The amount of animal waste is often staggering...and you can often smell it for miles when the wind is right...and if it isn't properly handled, it can destroy the surrounding ground water. I had one man tell me that when he flushed his stool, the incoming water was as bad as that going out...that it smelled so bad it was useless...and they couldn't even sit on their porch any more because they were covered with files...and you have no idea what tons of chicken manure can do to the environment; including runoff into the rivers and creeks.

I have no patience with those who move to the country and want to "enlighten" the hicks, but I also have no sympathy with the corporate "farmers" who think that the right to farm is unlimited.