LD1
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That's the whole point of certified triploid grass carp. They cannot reproduce. Therefore they won't explode in population and over take native species
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triploid / white almur grass carp. are normally female and been spaded. and many states require you to have a permit to even place them in a pond/lake, heck to even buy them, you will most likely asked to show proof of permit. at least that has been my experience.
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i built my own moss rake. out of 1/2" to 1" galvanized conduit / metal pipe.
i bent the pipe into "hooks" much like a fishing hook. about 1.5' to 2' foot in diameter
mounted the hooks on a "think single axle mini trailer frame" that has a V shape tongue on it.
most of hooks go down, but on sides i have them angled out. so as to grab any looks chunks of moss that will want to float away.
at most you only need 2 rows of hooks (one in front another) spaced a couple feet apart, any more additional row of hooks more of a waste. or less you are floating the front end. and wanting to drag the bottom into the mud. which *meh* not a good idea.
initially the contraption will want to sink, if you can offer say a couple 5 gallon buckets that are sealed tight, and attached to the unit to help make it float near front of the unit. it will initial work better. BUT once it loads up with moss, it will want to stay more on top of the moss (fully loaded up).
the only issue with above you need a tractor with FEL (front end loader) or mini ex (mini excavator) or something to physically lift the few hundred lbs of WET moss and unit up out of the water and onto bank of shore. else you will be down there with a "pitch fork" shoveling moss up onto the bank. so the moss does not decay in the water causing additional issues with water and providing more nutrients for another growth of algae and moss to happen.
1.8 acre lake. and had so many chains/ropes/cables hooked up so i could even get something attached. it is rather scary pulling it. (weakest link breaking). and it has broken a few times.
i do have a 10 - 55 gallon drum raft. with trolling motor. so it is easier for me to drag contraption up on to it. go were ever. drop it. and then let out the cable/rope to a bank further down. if i was using a small bass boat with oars or like. it would be a large pain in the rear to deal with this contraption.
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aeration would be best suggestion for any pond/lake. it is not immediate effect. but long term give it a year or 2. and the benefits will start showing up better. other words it takes time for the bacteria and eco system in the mud in bottom of the pond/lake to grow. to point it can start breaking down more muck / black dirt in the bottom. and help offset any nutrients that would be feeding water weeds/moss/algae.
i bent the pipe into "hooks" much like a fishing hook. about 1.5' to 2' foot in diameter
mounted the hooks on a "think single axle mini trailer frame" that has a V shape tongue on it.
most of hooks go down, but on sides i have them angled out. so as to grab any looks chunks of moss that will want to float away.
at most you only need 2 rows of hooks (one in front another) spaced a couple feet apart, any more additional row of hooks more of a waste. or less you are floating the front end. and wanting to drag the bottom into the mud. which *meh* not a good idea.
initially the contraption will want to sink, if you can offer say a couple 5 gallon buckets that are sealed tight, and attached to the unit to help make it float near front of the unit. it will initial work better. BUT once it loads up with moss, it will want to stay more on top of the moss (fully loaded up).
the only issue with above you need a tractor with FEL (front end loader) or mini ex (mini excavator) or something to physically lift the few hundred lbs of WET moss and unit up out of the water and onto bank of shore. else you will be down there with a "pitch fork" shoveling moss up onto the bank. so the moss does not decay in the water causing additional issues with water and providing more nutrients for another growth of algae and moss to happen.
1.8 acre lake. and had so many chains/ropes/cables hooked up so i could even get something attached. it is rather scary pulling it. (weakest link breaking). and it has broken a few times.
i do have a 10 - 55 gallon drum raft. with trolling motor. so it is easier for me to drag contraption up on to it. go were ever. drop it. and then let out the cable/rope to a bank further down. if i was using a small bass boat with oars or like. it would be a large pain in the rear to deal with this contraption.
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aeration would be best suggestion for any pond/lake. it is not immediate effect. but long term give it a year or 2. and the benefits will start showing up better. other words it takes time for the bacteria and eco system in the mud in bottom of the pond/lake to grow. to point it can start breaking down more muck / black dirt in the bottom. and help offset any nutrients that would be feeding water weeds/moss/algae.
AxleHub
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A real simple solution would be a "sand anchor" like is used in a river or a lake. Its typically used in areas where weight is not going to help anchor a boat. They fold and usually are a couple feet wide. You can likely buy a used one for $20 to $50 depending on size. I have one that is 30 inches tall and the width is 2 feet. May be able to get the rope for it already attached and part of the used purchase.
Works great in weed beds or sand bottoms and will release easily by just changing direction of the pull.
Works great in weed beds or sand bottoms and will release easily by just changing direction of the pull.
LD1
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Triploid carp are more than just females that have been spayed.
They can be male or female. The are missing a chromosome that causes reproduction.
Don't know the laws in other states. But have never heard of needing a permit to purchase triploid carp. Ohio don't have any restrictions. And a quick search of your state shows all you need to do is buy from a licensed dealer, and have a bill of sale to transport.
And make online fish hatcheries sell the triploid carp and ship to many many states. Do fine print or anything indicating a permit is required. (Like some firearm websites and restrictions shipping to California, NY, etc)
AxleHub
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I'm just a little confused. I understand the whole concept of the trilogy process but not how do they reproduce o supply them?
LD1
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According to what I could find, they shock diploid carp eggs ( ones that do reproduce) with either hot or cold water. This prevents a chromosome from forming that allows reproduction. Thus the fish, when hatched, are sterile. And each individual fish gets tested and certified that it absolutely cannot reproduce before it can be sold as such.
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I learned today you do need a permit and be approved for your location also. One of the decision factors is what happens if the carp gets out of the pond, then what? In my case, I am far enough from a stream that I believe I would be approved. It is improbable that the carp could go over the overflow and somehow wriggle long and far enough to get into another watercourse.
They are very cautious with approving these carp-- and those are the sterilized ones!!
They are very cautious with approving these carp-- and those are the sterilized ones!!
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never knew you could mess with the eggs like that. interesting.
most states do require a permit, it is well over 50% maybe 75% of all states in the US. require some sort of permit. carp in general, including koi to grass carp, and various individual species of them. are invasive species. it has been a few years looking at a map someone made, but the few states that do not have laws, are generally hot/dry desert like climate, were there are very few lakes/creaks/rivers within the state.
as far as fish getting out of overflow. (been there done that), 5 to 7lb channel catfish found in a culvert years ago. that came out of one of my lakes.
from regular liner ponds, to aquariums, have seen fish jump right on out of the water and end up dying before i got around and found them at feeding time. with overflows there is not much of a "lip" and water going down them. so it is almost a no brainier for a fish to get startled and just shoot quickly in one direction even if it means coming out of the water completely. and going right down the overflow.
when i have cleaned out the overflow on the lakes here. minnows will go straight down the overflow. if i do not re-set the grates up correctly surrounding the overflows. and slam the water to scare the fish off while cleaning the overflows up.
i have tossed fish on the ground, taking out of basket, and they will hope around 100 foot if they get going in a single direction. give them just a sliver of water to keep water on there gills. and they will keep on going in one direction. till they either die, or get to some deeper waters.
in the creek going through property, have found all sorts of bluegil and bass, and channel catfish. that have come out of someones lake up stream most likely. next large rain storm, they all clear out and continue on down stream.
it is not if fish will get out of the overflow, but when will they and how many will get out of the overflow over time.
i have concrete poured around my overflows. and then grating wall at edge of the concrete. so i can help keep sticks from going down overflow. the holes are 1/2" diameter. i still end up seeing minnows on the wrong side of the grate, along with tadpoles. it may only be 1/2" of water if that. but still there.
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i would not be to worried about all the stuff i did on my own overflows. with grates and like. i got one nasty clog one time. and enough was enough, so i poured the concrete myself and put in the grates, so i never have to ever deal with any clog like that ever again. the grates are not there for keeping fish going out the overflow, but keeping branches out of the overflow.
storm + 1 large tree branch + vertical overflow 30 feet plus deep. then lots of little iddy bitty twigs getting caught on the large branch, and filled the overflow right on up with more and more twigs.
most states do require a permit, it is well over 50% maybe 75% of all states in the US. require some sort of permit. carp in general, including koi to grass carp, and various individual species of them. are invasive species. it has been a few years looking at a map someone made, but the few states that do not have laws, are generally hot/dry desert like climate, were there are very few lakes/creaks/rivers within the state.
as far as fish getting out of overflow. (been there done that), 5 to 7lb channel catfish found in a culvert years ago. that came out of one of my lakes.
from regular liner ponds, to aquariums, have seen fish jump right on out of the water and end up dying before i got around and found them at feeding time. with overflows there is not much of a "lip" and water going down them. so it is almost a no brainier for a fish to get startled and just shoot quickly in one direction even if it means coming out of the water completely. and going right down the overflow.
when i have cleaned out the overflow on the lakes here. minnows will go straight down the overflow. if i do not re-set the grates up correctly surrounding the overflows. and slam the water to scare the fish off while cleaning the overflows up.
i have tossed fish on the ground, taking out of basket, and they will hope around 100 foot if they get going in a single direction. give them just a sliver of water to keep water on there gills. and they will keep on going in one direction. till they either die, or get to some deeper waters.
in the creek going through property, have found all sorts of bluegil and bass, and channel catfish. that have come out of someones lake up stream most likely. next large rain storm, they all clear out and continue on down stream.
it is not if fish will get out of the overflow, but when will they and how many will get out of the overflow over time.
i have concrete poured around my overflows. and then grating wall at edge of the concrete. so i can help keep sticks from going down overflow. the holes are 1/2" diameter. i still end up seeing minnows on the wrong side of the grate, along with tadpoles. it may only be 1/2" of water if that. but still there.
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i would not be to worried about all the stuff i did on my own overflows. with grates and like. i got one nasty clog one time. and enough was enough, so i poured the concrete myself and put in the grates, so i never have to ever deal with any clog like that ever again. the grates are not there for keeping fish going out the overflow, but keeping branches out of the overflow.
storm + 1 large tree branch + vertical overflow 30 feet plus deep. then lots of little iddy bitty twigs getting caught on the large branch, and filled the overflow right on up with more and more twigs.
LD1
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Can't speak about the rules and regs of other states. Ohio needs nothing to get triploid carp for a pond. Those states that require a permit, I cannot imagine it involves much at all