Electric Cars: Chev Bolt seems to be the first practical one.

[aczlan]

What ? What does Tesla have to do with xenon poisoning and flux tilts ?

He's probably talking about something like a Jacob's Ladder.

Aaron Z

 

[California]

You mean the Grid is not designed to enable off peak loading systems to maintain the load?

... I am waiting for somebody to hack the Leaf and use it as home battery. I see it coming. You buy a Leaf coming from a lease for less than 10K and hack the charger, battery and add inverter with some smart software to integrate it with solar and grid.

Here's something new that may become another piece in the puzzle:

MicroGrids are small virtual networks where neighbors can buy and sell excess power among themselves, and potentially to the big providers as well.

Elements of the network include rooftop solar and local battery storage, the existing grid, legal authority for an individual to push power into the system, and most important, legal rights to accept bids for that power from neighbors if they offer more than the utility. Smart meters and phone apps handle automated bidding, momentary virtual switching, and can include control over off-peak EV charging. The net effect can load-balance a neighborhood and so level demand on the utility. This networking at the neighborhood level might reduce the need for improving transmission from central plants.

Lot's more here; my explanation doesn't do it justice:

Brooklynç—´ Latest Craze: Making Your Own Electric Grid - POLITICO Magazine

 

[buickanddeere]

Here's something new that may become another piece in the puzzle:

MicroGrids are small virtual networks where neighbors can buy and sell excess power among themselves, and potentially to the big providers as well.

Elements of the network include rooftop solar and local battery storage, the existing grid, legal authority for an individual to push power into the system, and most important, legal rights to accept bids for that power from neighbors if they offer more than the utility. Smart meters and phone apps handle automated bidding, momentary virtual switching, and can include control over off-peak EV charging. The net effect can load-balance a neighborhood and so level demand on the utility. This networking at the neighborhood level might reduce the need for improving transmission from central plants.

Lot's more here; my explanation doesn't do it justice:

Brooklynç—´ Latest Craze: Making Your Own Electric Grid - POLITICO Magazine

Too complicated and too expensive for Joe Average.

 

[Egon]

Here's something new that may become another piece in the puzzle:

MicroGrids are small virtual networks where neighbors can buy and sell excess power among themselves, and potentially to the big providers as well.

Elements of the network include rooftop solar and local battery storage, the existing grid, legal authority for an individual to push power into the system, and most important, legal rights to accept bids for that power from neighbors if they offer more than the utility. Smart meters and phone apps handle automated bidding, momentary virtual switching, and can include control over off-peak EV charging. The net effect can load-balance a neighborhood and so level demand on the utility. This networking at the neighborhood level might reduce the need for improving transmission from central plants.

Lot's more here; my explanation doesn't do it justice:

Brooklynç—´ Latest Craze: Making Your Own Electric Grid - POLITICO Magazine[/QUOTE

This philosophy could also apply to major grids.

 

[Egon]

What ? What does Tesla have to do with xenon poisoning and flux tilts ?

That I can not answere.

Tesla did utilize off peak power.

 

[Egon]

He's probably talking about something like a Jacob's Ladder.

Aaron Z

You mean a connection between earth and positive ?? Nope !

Tesla had a little influence on electrical production and machines using electricity.

Just simple pre planned use of excess production.

 

[houstonscott]

Not much car talk here, just talk of how to resigned the national grid so you can charge your electric car.

 

[California]

MicroGrids...

Brooklyn's Latest Craze: Making Your Own Electric Grid

This philosophy could also apply to major grids.

It's my understanding that ConEd (NYC region utility) already has smart meters at all major customers and is expanding into individual customers, to communicate with them in real time and anticipate demand. This Brooklyn experiment is a utilization of that capability.

A good friend works at California PUC in a group studying how to fairly price the effect of new technology - uploaded solar etc. Apparently the biggest factor in establishing pricing is, the utilities have the huge cost of future generating plants included in their present utility rates. If some major plant or transmission capability won't be needed as soon due to innovations in load management, then that utility's present rates are higher than what is needed to earn a good return on investment. Innovations are going to change things in this realm, similar to the way Musk's private industry space rockets are less expensive than NASA's traditional reliance on the military/industrial folks to bill the government based on a cost-plus model. We live in interesting times...

For those who don't see how this relates to EV's - think big.

 

[California]

Google news this morning has a link to a L A Times article related to the utility pricing I described above: A utility serving Redondo Beach wants to replace a generating plant that has only 5% utilization. The article notes that the utilities make their money on these construction projects and the rate increases they can make anticipating the construction cost. The reason for rebuilding this plant seems to be profit-driven rather than demand-driven. The project is on hold because solar is increasing so fast in California that the Redondo Beach plant appears to be unneeded.

California invested heavily in solar power. Now there’s so much that other states are sometimes paid to take it - Los Angeles Times

 

[Egon]

It's my understanding that ConEd (NYC region utility) already has smart meters at all major customers and is expanding into individual customers, to communicate with them in real time and anticipate demand. This Brooklyn experiment is a utilization of that capability.

A good friend works at California PUC in a group studying how to fairly price the effect of new technology - uploaded solar etc. Apparently the biggest factor in establishing pricing is, the utilities have the huge cost of future generating plants included in their present utility rates. If some major plant or transmission capability won't be needed as soon due to innovations in load management, then that utility's present rates are higher than what is needed to earn a good return on investment. Innovations are going to change things in this realm, similar to the way Musk's private industry space rockets are less expensive than NASA's traditional reliance on the military/industrial folks to bill the government based on a cost-plus model. We live in interesting times...

For those who don't see how this relates to EV's - think big.

Updated grid systems that make the most of generation and usage are bound to happen. On the usage end more systems that can use off peak power may have to be developed. Heating & cooling at large scale come quickly to mind.