Buying Advice Kioti NX or RX and horsepower needed

[trctorfan17]

Hi all,

I am looking to buy a new tractor but don稚 know what best fits my needs.

First of all, I never drove a tractor before.

I have 5 level acres, and I just cleared about 120 big trees and ground stumps. Very few trees left.

Here is my list of tasks:

- Drainage work (roughly 150 yards?,000 feet long four feet deep)
- aerating the compacted soil (from tree removal)
- grading (will be getting roughly 200 yards of subsoil delivered)
- digging fence posts for roughly 200 posts (rear non-hydraulic post hole digger should be fine I guess)

My goal is to finish these tasks in the shortest possible time and easiest way. So, I am willing to buy more powerful machines if they can truly make a difference in finishing the tasks.

I am currently considering Kioti NX but wiling to go for RX7320 if it can make a difference.

Renting is not an option for me because I need to do all this on weekends on my own. It would be cheaper to buy and then sell in few years.

So, giving all the above, what do you think is the best choice for me:

NX4510H
NX5010H
NX5510H
NX6010H
RX6620
RX7320

Thank you very much.

 

[trctorfan17]

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Drainage work (roughly 150 yards: 1,000 feet long four feet deep)

 

[IslandTractor]

Hi all,

I am looking to buy a new tractor but don稚 know what best fits my needs.

First of all, I never drove a tractor before.

I have 5 level acres, and I just cleared about 120 big trees and ground stumps. Very few trees left.

Here is my list of tasks:

- Drainage work (roughly 150 yards?,000 feet long four feet deep)
- aerating the compacted soil (from tree removal)
- grading (will be getting roughly 200 yards of subsoil delivered)
- digging fence posts for roughly 200 posts (rear non-hydraulic post hole digger should be fine I guess)

My goal is to finish these tasks in the shortest possible time and easiest way. So, I am willing to buy more powerful machines if they can truly make a difference in finishing the tasks.

I am currently considering Kioti NX but wiling to go for RX7320 if it can make a difference.

Renting is not an option for me because I need to do all this on weekends on my own. It would be cheaper to buy and then sell in few years.

So, giving all the above, what do you think is the best choice for me:

NX4510H
NX5010H
NX5510H
NX6010H
RX6620
RX7320

Thank you very much.

The NX4510H would be more than adequate. I understand you want to do the work quickly and that money seems not a concern but your lack of tractor operating experience is the limiting factor, not horsepower or tractor size. You could do that work with a CK too. For trenching you will want a backhoe. A boxblade and post hole digger are necessary too in addition to FEL. There is nothing on your task list that requires more than 35-40 hp.

If you really want to finish the job quickly, just hire it out.

 

[trctorfan17]

The NX4510H would be more than adequate. I understand you want to do the work quickly and that money seems not a concern but your lack of tractor operating experience is the limiting factor, not horsepower or tractor size. You could do that work with a CK too. For trenching you will want a backhoe. A boxblade and post hole digger are necessary too in addition to FEL. There is nothing on your task list that requires more than 35-40 hp.

If you really want to finish the job quickly, just hire it out.

my only concern with DK and CK is the loader's capacity and the hydraulic pump rate...when i compare them with NX and RX.

Also, if I want to sell the machine in 3 years with may be 200 hours on it, I think buyers of used equipment may be more interested in RX than CK.

What do you think?

 

[Coyote machine]

my only concern with DK and CK is the loader's capacity and the hydraulic pump rate...when i compare them with NX and RX.

Also, if I want to sell the machine in 3 years with may be 200 hours on it, I think buyers of used equipment may be more interested in RX than CK.

What do you think?

Yes and no. Depends on what someone is wanting for their task list/needs. If it were me, I'd decide based on what would best accomplish the job at hand and worry less about the resale in a few years. Tractors unlike cars do retain a lot of their value, especially with low hours and a lot of toys, (implements) to go with the sale, as a package.

As IT said, you don't need a monster machine, just one that will provide enough power/capacity to get the job done. Kioti's are very capable tractors and the one's IT mentioned would do your task list without sweat. My Dk has never met a load it couldn't lift, with a capacity near 3,000 pounds you'd be hard pressed to want to have more lifing capability. I've lifted huge boulders and entire tree trunks upwards of 40' long with my log grapple. The only limit was maneuvering the tree's length and turning space for pickup and lowering on my landing.
Pump capacity, I'm not really qualified to address, but I'm sure IT or someone else can speak to it's need for your tasks.

Your 4 foot deep ditching is probably better done by a mini-ex rather than any tractor you listed, due to the depth and length, BUT you could of course do it with a tractor; again, your learning curve would be steep and by the time you were slightly proficient the ditch would have been done by a pro with the right tool for the job. Again your choice, but better to know your best use/options in advance of buying expensive equipment like a hoe and then finding out how long it takes to learn to use it efficiently, especially if you plan to sell it off in several years.

So we can better access your best use of your money to buy and use toys, what exactly are you wanting to do? you've listed tasks but what's the big picture? Posts holes for a fence, for horses, cattle, refugees?:confused3:
Ditch for mostly flat land?
What are you building?

It's not a criticism, but you're never having driven a tractor, and your desire to get things done quickly on weekends is admirable, but maybe somewhat unrealistic, which is why if we know more of what your plans are we can help steer you to spend your money where you will get the most bang/$.

Then when it's all over I can swoop in and buy your equipment for a song!?:laughing: just kidding!:thumbsup:

 

[trctorfan17]

Thank you Coyote...

the post hole digger used to install a privacy 6 ft vinyl fence.

the backhoe needed to dig up to 4 ft deep to run drainage pipe in a section of the property. the digging will not always be 4 ft deep, it will start with may be a foot deep and pitch/gravity...

I think mini-ex will be heavier and cause more compaction...which would mean needing to aerate that section too. Also, I cannot use industrial equipment on Sundays, but can use my NX or RX...that is half the weekends! This phases out rental and outsourcing.

backhoe will also be used to adjust non-mortared stonewall.

backhoe can be used to remove some of the small stumps and help in the aeration (with box blade).

For FEL, it is not just the weight...when moving 200 yards of dirt. RX7320 takes 0.8 yards whereas DK40 takes 0.4 yards. Dirt is average 2,500 lb per yard.

I am just repairing part of the drainage system, building a fence, and fixing the compacted soil (that resulted from heavy equipment removing trees), then grading.

It is not really a huge list of tasks....

So, if I can finish the drainage digging in one day, move the 200 yards of subsoil in one day, then the whole list can be finished in a month (4 weekends)? may be...

may be you can tell me, how long (on average) would it take to dig a linear foot (and one foot deep) using Kioti backhoe? is it 50 linear ft per hour?

 

[IslandTractor]

Thank you Coyote...

the post hole digger used to install a privacy 6 ft vinyl fence.

the backhoe needed to dig up to 4 ft deep to run drainage pipe in a section of the property. the digging will not always be 4 ft deep, it will start with may be a foot deep and pitch/gravity...

I think mini-ex will be heavier and cause more compaction...which would mean needing to aerate that section too. Also, I cannot use industrial equipment on Sundays, but can use my NX or RX...that is half the weekends! This phases out rental and outsourcing.

backhoe will also be used to adjust non-mortared stonewall.

backhoe can be used to remove some of the small stumps and help in the aeration (with box blade).

For FEL, it is not just the weight...when moving 200 yards of dirt. RX7320 takes 0.8 yards whereas DK40 takes 0.4 yards. Dirt is average 2,500 lb per yard.

I am just repairing part of the drainage system, building a fence, and fixing the compacted soil (that resulted from heavy equipment removing trees), then grading.

It is not really a huge list of tasks....

So, if I can finish the drainage digging in one day, move the 200 yards of subsoil in one day, then the whole list can be finished in a month (4 weekends)? may be...

may be you can tell me, how long (on average) would it take to dig a linear foot (and one foot deep) using Kioti backhoe? is it 50 linear ft per hour?

Regarding trench digging, I just finished digging a 200 ft long two foot deep drainage trench using my DK40 with 9 ft BH. Took about six hours. I was slowed by needing to reposition frequently due to trees and needing to revise portions of the ditch. To answer your question regarding time to dig a linear foot, I'd say that is about one bucketful of dirt per foot. I can probably dig and dump one bucket of soil every 15 seconds or so unless dealing with big roots etc. So maybe 4 linear feet per minute of actual digging. If your trench is in soft soil or sand then you should be able to dig about 150-200 cubic feet of trench in an hour once you don't need to think about which control lever to push or pull. I'd say it would take an hour or two for muscle memory to be established. You might almost be done digging by the time you were getting efficient.

How far are you moving the 200 yards of dirt? You'll want to have trucks dumping in more than one place to minimize your work. I'd never buy a bigger tractor just for a bigger bucket. With hst making a quick load run is simple so long as you are having soil dumped close to where it is needed.

You mentioned soil compaction several times. Not really such an issue in my experience. Never recall seeing a discussion about needing to aerate soil after the type of work you are describing.

FYI, I have done the type of work you are describing with a 20hp CK20 with 6 ft BH. The biggest current Kioti I would consider is the NX4510 with 9 ft BH and I wouldn't blink at taking on that task with a CK3510 based TLB.

 

[trctorfan17]

Thank you very much IT.

So based on your 4 lin ft/ minute, for 2 feet deep, and with my estimate of up to 4 feet deep, it will take me more time to dig. But it is impressive that it takes only 4-6 hours for 200 ft. I am assuming the your machine has the KB2485? same as the one used by DX.

So you don't think that the DX (with its higher hydraulic pump rate than DK) can move the backhoe and digging faster?

For the 200 yards of dirt, I can have truck dump in different areas...that is a good idea.

I guess you are basically saying that the difference in performance between DK and DX for landscaping tasks will not be noticeable? Can you give me an example of a task where it pays off to have DX over DK?

The compaction of soil resulted from the heavy equipment that came and removed 120 larges trees. Everyone told me that I have to aerate it first before seeding.

Thank you

 

[Gary Fowler]

To aerate the soil could just mean to run a disk harrow over it to have some loose dirt so the seeds can be covered. I wouldn't think that you would need much more than that.
As for digging a trench, the deeper it is and the harder the soil, the slower it is going to be. In anything other than the softest soil @4 feet of depth, you will be lucky to dig one foot per minute. With a small bucket or around 1 cubic foot on most CUT backhoes, it will take 3-4 dipper to get one foot of soil removed from a 4 foot hole. I would estimate it to take 2 minutes per foot minimum for an inexperience operator.

 

[trctorfan17]

To aerate the soil could just mean to run a disk harrow over it to have some loose dirt so the seeds can be covered. I wouldn't think that you would need much more than that.
As for digging a trench, the deeper it is and the harder the soil, the slower it is going to be. In anything other than the softest soil @4 feet of depth, you will be lucky to dig one foot per minute. With a small bucket or around 1 cubic foot on most CUT backhoes, it will take 3-4 dipper to get one foot of soil removed from a 4 foot hole. I would estimate it to take 2 minutes per foot minimum for an inexperience operator.

Thank you Gary...

You are right, they said use aerator or cultivator. I was planning to do that kind of aeration using the scarifiers in the box blade and may be the backhoe too in some tough areas. I will just seed grass there.

I am getting 18" bucket for the backhoe, so it takes up to 2 cubic ft. The soil is not soft at all...it is dry.

Does it make a difference heavier, wider and longer tractor with more hydraulic flow rate to get the job done faster?

I would love to get your suggestion on the right tractor to buy (please see my original question at the top of the thread).

Thank you very much