A Question for Sailors

[smstonypoint]

Yes but we are discussing a ship operated by sailors on board the vessel, not remotely operated drone aircraft or vessels.

Later,
Dan

And in a busy shipping lane and just after senior officers of the Fitzgerald were relieved of their duties for nonfeasance.

Steve

 

[smstonypoint]

I don't remember reading about this:

"Salamander recalled the 2007 incident when the destroyer USS Arleigh Burke ran aground at the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay in daylight because the navigational system had an input error and no one had looked out the window to confirm the ship's position.

"There's no bad computer bad radar that's going to substitute for you not looking out the bloody window," he said.

Why Are Navy Ships Colliding in the Pacific? Experts Weigh In | Military.com

Steve

 

[houstonscott]

Maybe the Senate oversight should step down along with the 3 Star. McCain.

 

[/pine]

If the real truth ever gets to the public...the ship will be decommissioned because mccain will be disgraced... I know a survivor and knew two other casualties personally that were serving on the USS Forestall...most of the actual witnesses to what actually caused the missile/fire perished...and the story was covered up big time because of mccain's father...!

And FWIW...my late father was also a POW and all his living POW colleagues say that mccain fits the same type personality that were snitches and got special treatment...rank usually had nothing to do with getting cigarettes and sugar etc...

 

[TN8Man]

Yes but we are discussing a ship operated by sailors on board the vessel, not remotely operated drone aircraft or vessels.

Later,
Dan

The discussion is about the collisions between US Naval and merchant vessels and what could be the cause. I'm saying vessels can be controlled remotely, just like aircraft and vehicles and all are subject to cyber hacking. It's been reported that the merchant vessel was operating under autopilot (remote control). If cyber hacking was at play then it was probably done to the merchant vessel. The crew on the Navy vessel could also be at fault because they did not follow proper procedures that could have prevented the collision regardless of the merchant vessels intent.

 

[houstonscott]

The discussion is about the collisions between US Naval and merchant vessels and what could be the cause. I'm saying vessels can be controlled remotely, just like aircraft and vehicles and all are subject to cyber hacking. It's been reported that the merchant vessel was operating under autopilot (remote control). If cyber hacking was at play then it was probably done to the merchant vessel. The crew on the Navy vessel could also be at fault because they did not follow proper procedures that could have prevented the collision regardless of the merchant vessels intent.

You understand then that there are many rules that apply here... Crossing, channel 13, narrow channel, draft, manning, extremis.... Lots... Steering getting hacked is tin foil hat stuff.... And is not in the conversation.... Steering sabotage is possible, and so are bridge communications, and a helmsman error or intentional error. Anyone here have OOD quails on 1000+ ton naval experience, been to USN safe ship handling school, (requirements for the CO), or have 10 years experience as a VTS supervisor. ? What do you want to know, or ask, I can give you the answer.

 

[TN8Man]

You understand then that there are many rules that apply here... Crossing, channel 13, narrow channel, draft, manning, extremis.... Lots... Steering getting hacked is tin foil hat stuff.... And is not in the conversation.... Steering sabotage is possible, and so are bridge communications, and a helmsman error or intentional error. Anyone here have OOD quails on 1000+ ton naval experience, been to USN safe ship handling school, (requirements for the CO), or have 10 years experience as a VTS supervisor. ? What do you want to know, or ask, I can give you the answer.

Cyber warfare is not a tin foil conspiracy theory. Todays military includes significant cyber warfare units, including the Navy.

Cyberwarfare involves the battlespace use and targeting of computers and networks in warfare. It involves both offensive and defensive operations pertaining to the threat of cyberattacks, espionage and sabotage. There has been controversy over whether such operations can duly be called "war". Nevertheless, nations have been developing their capabilities and engaged in cyberwarfare either as an aggressor, defendant, or both.

 

[houstonscott]

Cyber warfare is not a tin foil conspiracy theory. Todays military includes significant cyber warfare units, including the Navy. Cyberwarfare involves the battlespace use and targeting of computers and networks in warfare. It involves both offensive and defensive operations pertaining to the threat of cyberattacks, espionage and sabotage. There has been controversy over whether such operations can duly be called "war". Nevertheless, nations have been developing their capabilities and engaged in cyberwarfare either as an aggressor, defendant, or both.

Yeah, now do you want to talk about this collision and what causes them.

 

[smstonypoint]

Steering getting hacked is tin foil hat stuff...........

Cyber warfare is not a tin foil conspiracy theory............

From my perspective, the question is whether it is even possible for the steering of the McCain to be "hacked," not whether cyber warfare exists.

Steve

 

[houstonscott]

From my perspective, the question is whether it is even possible for the steering of the McCain to be "hacked," not whether cyber warfare exists. Steve

The question is if that's a reasonable cause. Answer NO. Next question.