Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer?

   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #41  
Have you seen the article about the guy whose new aluminum F150 was just about beaten to death ($6000+ in damages) by a car wash?

Google "car wash ripped off antenna" and you can read story after story of this happening to steel, aluminum, and fiberglass bodied vehicles. All car washes and all of my vehicle owner's manuals state to take off the antenna before going through an automatic car wash. It doesn't have anything to do with the vehicle. That damaged is caused by laziness.
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #42  
Google "car wash ripped off antenna" and you can read story after story of this happening to steel, aluminum, and fiberglass bodied vehicles. All car washes and all of my vehicle owner's manuals state to take off the antenna before going through an automatic car wash. It doesn't have anything to do with the vehicle. That damaged is caused by laziness.
A properly setup carwash will not grab a OEM antenna, nor will a "touch free" carwash...

Aaron Z
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #43  
A properly setup carwash will not grab a OEM antenna, nor will a "touch free" carwash...

Aaron Z

Certainly true. I've never removed any antennas for any type of car wash and never had an issue.
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #44  
I am the guy that washes his truck when it is -40. No line ups to worry about. A wash is a wash regardless of temps, no ill will come from it. Keeping the salt washed off on a regular basis is important. Mine does not get garaged parked.

Keep your door seals lubed with silicone lubricant and you will never have a doer freeze shut. And keep the locks lubed, no issues with a frozen lock.

I am the guy who made a good living money fixing the rust that is caused when the water expands in the seams as it freezes. When the seams are opened up, the corrosion protection is lost, and the rust begins.

Look at the inside bottom of the doors on any older car that have expanded, and rusted, and eventually rot from the inside out, to see one common example of this.

Chemical reactions are slowed down by low temperatures. The effect of that salt at below single digits is negligible. The effect of water isn't

I speak from considerable experience, when I say wait until it warms up to wash it.
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #45  
I am the guy who made a good living money fixing the rust that is caused when the water expands in the seams as it freezes. When the seams are opened up, the corrosion protection is lost, and the rust begins.

Look at the inside bottom of the doors on any older car that have expanded, and rusted, and eventually rot from the inside out, to see one common example of this.

Chemical reactions are slowed down by low temperatures. The effect of that salt at below single digits is negligible. The effect of water isn't

I speak from considerable experience, when I say wait until it warms up to wash it.
Yeah, well i bet your customers did not have their trucks sprayed with Krown, did they? It is sprayed inside every rocker, cab corner, frame, tail lights get removed and the inside of the box gets sprayed, as does in between the box floor panels. My truck drips for days, every nook and cranny is protected before old man winter sets in.

Getting a vehicle undercoated whether it is Krown, Rust check or even fluid film, if you do this a vehicle will be rust free and last a long time.
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #46  
A properly setup carwash will not grab a OEM antenna, nor will a "touch free" carwash...

Aaron Z

Certainly true. I've never removed any antennas for any type of car wash and never had an issue.

Certainly not true, being that it happens. I have also never removed my antenna nor have I ever had an antenna ripped off; this doesn't mean that it can't happen. Our sample size of three means nothing.
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #47  
Yeah, well i bet your customers did not have their trucks sprayed with Krown, did they? It is sprayed inside every rocker, cab corner, frame, tail lights get removed and the inside of the box gets sprayed, as does in between the box floor panels. My truck drips for days, every nook and cranny is protected before old man winter sets in.

Getting a vehicle undercoated whether it is Krown, Rust check or even fluid film, if you do this a vehicle will be rust free and last a long time.

Do you think rustproofing is something new? It's been around since the early 70's.

Does it help? It can, if it's done right. I've cut open thousands of cars that were rustproofed, It is almost never is done properly. You also have to be willing to put up with the toxic odor.

Nothing works every time, or forever.

I've also had to touch up a lot of cars were the only rust they had, was ironically around the holes drilled for the rustproofing plugs.

There is another problem you don't seem to be aware of. Many areas in modern vehicles, cannot be rustproofed properly, either because of the way they are built internally, or by virtue of the fact that they used foam to fill the cavities. That foam is a huge problem in salt states, and the manufacturers have been aware of it for decades. They all still choose to use it.
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #48  
I live about 20 miles from the Atlantic Ocean. 60 to 80 percent humidity is very common. I seldom see a rusty vehicle here with other than surface rust that did not come from snow country. Does not matter the brand or the type of vehicle, you see one with rust anywhere near the tires you can bet it spent part of its life in snow country.
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #49  
Do you think rustproofing is something new? It's been around since the early 70's.

Does it help? It can, if it's done right. I've cut open thousands of cars that were rustproofed, It is almost never is done properly. You also have to be willing to put up with the toxic odor.

Nothing works every time, or forever.

I've also had to touch up a lot of cars were the only rust they had, was ironically around the holes drilled for the rustproofing plugs.

There is another problem you don't seem to be aware of. Many areas in modern vehicles, cannot be rustproofed properly, either because of the way they are built internally, or by virtue of the fact that they used foam to fill the cavities. That foam is a huge problem in salt states, and the manufacturers have been aware of it for decades. They all still choose to use it.

I have a friend here who has the local Rust Check dealership and he has found the same things you mention regarding foam and certain areas in certain vehicles that are not accessible for rust proofing.

As far as holes being drilled into the vehicle for access, he goes to great lengths to not drill holes and it's the rare vehicle where he has to drill any holes. His favourite method is to remove certain bolts and use very small wands to get through them. I've manufactured several different sized wand tips for him that allow not only the use of different sized wands but also different spray pattern. He's "Old School" and more than a bit on the **** side as far as high quality of work goes.

I do like the smell of Rust Check though, it's kinda cherry flavoured.
 
   / Rust again, aluminum Ford the answer? #50  
Yeah, well i bet your customers did not have their trucks sprayed with Krown, did they? It is sprayed inside every rocker, cab corner, frame, tail lights get removed and the inside of the box gets sprayed, as does in between the box floor panels. My truck drips for days, every nook and cranny is protected before old man winter sets in.

Getting a vehicle undercoated whether it is Krown, Rust check or even fluid film, if you do this a vehicle will be rust free and last a long time.

I get your point about the importance of undercoating every year. I have undercoated my 2011 f-250 every year since I bought it. It was 1.5 years old and brought up from Florida, so I don't think it saw any salt in that first year and a half unless someone used it to launch a boat. I still have had had a couple rock chips around the rear wheel wells that needed touch-ups and the bottom of the rear fenders were both stripped clear of paint by rocks on dirt roads, so I had to fix that up too because it was rusting. My point being that undercoating is a big help at keeping the rust at bay, but it isn't going to do everything. When you get rock chips, steel will rust, then peel, then rust, then bubble, then the damaged area expands, etc. Once it starts, it is near impossible to stop, and if you don't catch it right away the corrosion will work its way under the paint to areas that aren't even exposed. When aluminum corrodes it is different, instead of peeling and bubbling it makes a thin film over the exposed spot that helps slow down further corrosion. Yes another rock impact will expose it again, but then it will film again. It isn't perfect, but exposed aluminum is definitely slower to corrode than exposed steel. Time will tell I guess, but after the dings and nicks that tend to peel away the protective paint coating and allow rust to start, I would expect aluminum fenders to stand up to being exposed a lot better than steel.

It is different for the folks south of the snow belt. You have the same thing in Ontario as I do, so you know it really sucks to watch your perfectly functional vehicle with lots of life left in the engine etc, fall apart due to the body corroding out from under it. There is a diminishing return to spending $1 to 2k to repair rusty wheel wells and door sills, only to have it come back in a year and a half. I will be interested to see in 8-10 years if the aluminum vehicles (all other things like care and undercoating being equal) stand up better over time to the damage from road salt.

South of the snow belt you can say that it is more expensive to repair aluminum than steel, but up here you have to factor in the fact that even if the repair is done professionally a steel fender repair is going to rust within five years or less, so you will then pay for the repair twice or have to sell the vehicle with severely lowered value. I had a Subaru that had an accident (side impact in the rear fender) when it was 6 months old. Even with a professionally done repair that looked immaculate, by the time it was 6 years old that one fender and wheel well around the accident was a rusty mess, while the other three fenders were still immaculate. If that repair had been to an aluminum body panel, I would wager it would have been a better result. Not as perfect as the undamaged fenders, but definitely better than steel.
 

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