Carry permit. Would traffic stop make police be more cautious? yea or nay?

[Sigarms]

Anyone with irrational fear of law enforcement personnel are in need of anger management courses!

Some more than others!

Are most phobias (which I could incorrectly assume is just an irrational fear) related to anger management? I sincerely don't know, but don't believe so, which is why I ask.

Edit - After using googlefoo for any type of trail to find, I'm not finding the relationship between anger management and irrational fears. Care to elaborate?

I don't believe it's a matter of fear (at least for myself), but a lack of trust due to the fact that most people can't arrest and incarcerate you if they're (LEO) having a bad day at the office or don't like anyone exercising their rights which contradicts thier (LEO) self giving authority at times which exceeds their legal boundaries.

God forbid if you killed someone in your home in fear for your life. Of course you would call the police either before or after the encounter, but only a fool would go giving the police a detailed report on exactly what happened prior to talking to their lawyer.

I understand that the general consensus is if you have nothing to hide or did nothing wrong, that there is nothing wrong with giving a detailed report or making general a general comment "off the record" to the police, but the only thing any comments you make is bite you in the butt. That is why it's always wise to consult a lawyer first. Thing is, it seems at times in America that if you lawyer up, people seem to think you're guilty of something because why would you need a lawyer if you didn't do anything wrong?

 

[ovrszd]

PRIME example in your response. I ask you a question, and you won't give me a direct response. You ASSUME I know what you were refering to even though I asked you a direct question pertaining to what comments I've made you were refering to.

I'm arguing yet your debating? :laughing:

I understand that the written word can easily be mis conveyed, thus sometimes I look for clarification.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but there are some people I have given up responding on internet forums to due to never being able to get a straight answer from them, and you have become one of them.

I have never used a ignore list or whatever they have on forums to ignore people, just pointing out that after this last post directed towards you, you won't get any more responses from me.

Please don't take that as a lack of conviction on my end.

As you wish.

If I get the LEO story I will post a link to it here. No requirement for you to have a response. It's a story we would all benefit from listening to.

 

[Thall303]

Are most phobias (which I could incorrectly assume is just an irrational fear) related to anger management? I sincerely don't know, but don't believe so, which is why I ask.

Edit - After using googlefoo for any type of trail to find, I'm not finding the relationship between anger management and irrational fears. Care to elaborate?

I don't believe it's a matter of fear (at least for myself), but a lack of trust due to the fact that most people can't arrest and incarcerate you if they're (LEO) having a bad day at the office or don't like anyone exercising their rights which contradicts thier (LEO) self giving authority at times which exceeds their legal boundaries.

God forbid if you killed someone in your home in fear for your life. Of course you would call the police either before or after the encounter, but only a fool would go giving the police a detailed report on exactly what happened prior to talking to their lawyer.

I understand that the general consensus is if you have nothing to hide or did nothing wrong, that there is nothing wrong with giving a detailed report or making general a general comment "off the record" to the police, but the only thing any comments you make is bite you in the butt. That is why it's always wise to consult a lawyer first. Thing is, it seems at times in America that if you lawyer up, people seem to think you're guilty of something because why would you need a lawyer if you didn't do anything wrong?

You may be overthinking the reason you denigrate law enforcement.....or just choose to let it go over your head?

 

[Garandman]

I understand your description of procedure. I would also deem the officer to be in charge of when he feels he has adequately filled that procedure, not the driver of the vehicle.

I tried to find this story but can't. /////

There’s a shocker.

What specific details of the purported incident do you recall? Because police shootings are actively reported in the news. I found Police being shot in Iowa, Police being shot six or more times, but nothing specifically like the circumstances you suggest to justify your position.

We all “Back the Blue.” We fund their activities with taxes. We also back fire, schools, road maintenance, and other functions of government.

To the point of this thread, do you have a carry permit? If so, have you ever been stopped while carrying? Because that is the ostensible topic of this thread.

 

[Sigarms]

You may be overthinking the reason you denigrate law enforcement.....or just choose to let it go over your head?

There is a difference between not trusting law enforcment in general and denigrating law enforcement in general. What part of that don't you understand?

Other than one WORD I've posted pertaining to a LEO, how are you also determining that I'm degdigrating LEO's in general? My own comment was pertaining to one person, which could of been applied to anyone in any job. Again, people are people. Don't worry, I'm guessing you won't answer that as well.

That said, still waiting to understand how anger management has anything to do with irrational fears, or is that anger management with irrational fears of LEO's only?

You remind me of someone else here. Ask a direct question and never get a direct response

That or you made a mistake, overspoke without thinking and are afraid to admit that mistake.

 

[ovrszd]

There’s a shocker.

What specific details of the purported incident do you recall? Because police shootings are actively reported in the news. I found Police being shot in Iowa, Police being shot six or more times, but nothing specifically like the circumstances you suggest to justify your position.

We all “Back the Blue.” We fund their activities with taxes. We also back fire, schools, road maintenance, and other functions of government.

To the point of this thread, do you have a carry permit? If so, have you ever been stopped while carrying? Because that is the ostensible topic of this thread.

I am not in control of your feelings of shock. I fully understand it as a dimly disguised attack of my character. That's okay.

Missouri doesn't require a carry permit.

 

[Thall303]

There is a difference between not trusting law enforcment in general and denigrating law enforcement in general. What part of that don't you understand?

Other than one WORD I've posted pertaining to a LEO, how are you also determining that I'm degdigrating LEO's in general? My own comment was pertaining to one person, which could of been applied to anyone in any job. Again, people are people. Don't worry, I'm guessing you won't answer that as well.

That said, still waiting to understand how anger management has anything to do with irrational fears, or is that anger management with irrational fears of LEO's only?

You remind me of someone else here. Ask a direct question and never get a direct response

That or you made a mistake, overspoke without thinking and are afraid to admit that mistake.

I see no need to contribute further to your anger issues!

 

[Soundguy]

Even to the detail point of him learning in the middle of the gunfight how to change magazines with one hand.

Sadly, he should already know how to do this.

WAY back when I got my florida CWP when they first came out, you had to ( and still do ) have to have some sort of firearms training, multiple things qualified.. a DD-214, hunter safety class, etc.

I took my training from a NRA certified instructor, who was also an instructor for the Sheriff's Dept. It was a small class. We went over the usual stuff, the laws, etc. Then we wnt to the range. We were able to use the law enforcement range because our instructor was the instructor for the Dept. We had our weapons inspected. ( I had a 1911 - a cheap one at that.. non adj sites.. plastic grips..black matte painted or phoshpated finish..bulky copy of a 1911 ). Anyway.. Along with loading and unloading drills, and shooting everything from 25 yards to point blank. ( All untimed.. IE.. aim and fire, except point blank test was to fire at least 5 rounds as fast as you can ). One thing. All shots had to be on a silo target.. no misses.. misses hit other things.. and that wasn't allowed. The instructor wouldn't let you go to the next portion untill all shots were on target.. anywhere on the target counted.. but all had to be on or in the lines... and he wasn't fond of shots thru the same hole unless he could see that it was a doubled shot and 2 half profiles.. guy was strict.

Anyway, part of the training was to load and unload our magazines and put them in the handgun using only 1 hand or 1 hand and your fore-arm. Also we then had to load blindfolded ( using snapcaps that we had to bring to the class ). After that, the instructor then produced a 38 snubby he had in an ankle holster. we each had to load and shoot it, and then load and unload it blindfolded ( using snap caps ). He said this was because you might have to reload while hiding in the dark. He showed us a neat trick on a revolver how to manipulate the gun 1 handed. I still remember and use that method to this day, on revolvers.

I've been to other handgun training courses ( took my wife to one too ), and none were as in depth as that one from that NRA/LEO instructor.

I'm guessing they don't train LEO's like this anymore.. if someone had to learn it in the heat of battle. I hope I never have to use it in the heat of battle. I'm glad I was shown how to do it.

 

[Sigarms]

I see no need to contribute further to your anger issues!

And ironically enough, you still can't answer a direct question pertaining to a comment YOU made which I believe you meant as factual, that being what does "anger management" have to do with fears or phobias?

Re reading my post that you last quoted, not also cerain where you're assuming I have anger issues to begin with.

Don't worry, I don't expect you to answer that one as well.

I still can figure out why some people posts some things as factual on a internet forum, then when asked about them, fail to show any information to back up what they're stating.

 

[ovrszd]

Sadly, he should already know how to do this.

WAY back when I got my florida CWP when they first came out, you had to ( and still do ) have to have some sort of firearms training, multiple things qualified.. a DD-214, hunter safety class, etc.

I took my training from a NRA certified instructor, who was also an instructor for the Sheriff's Dept. It was a small class. We went over the usual stuff, the laws, etc. Then we wnt to the range. We were able to use the law enforcement range because our instructor was the instructor for the Dept. We had our weapons inspected. ( I had a 1911 - a cheap one at that.. non adj sites.. plastic grips..black matte painted or phoshpated finish..bulky copy of a 1911 ). Anyway.. Along with loading and unloading drills, and shooting everything from 25 yards to point blank. ( All untimed.. IE.. aim and fire, except point blank test was to fire at least 5 rounds as fast as you can ). One thing. All shots had to be on a silo target.. no misses.. misses hit other things.. and that wasn't allowed. The instructor wouldn't let you go to the next portion untill all shots were on target.. anywhere on the target counted.. but all had to be on or in the lines... and he wasn't fond of shots thru the same hole unless he could see that it was a doubled shot and 2 half profiles.. guy was strict.

Anyway, part of the training was to load and unload our magazines and put them in the handgun using only 1 hand or 1 hand and your fore-arm. Also we then had to load blindfolded ( using snapcaps that we had to bring to the class ). After that, the instructor then produced a 38 snubby he had in an ankle holster. we each had to load and shoot it, and then load and unload it blindfolded ( using snap caps ). He said this was because you might have to reload while hiding in the dark. He showed us a neat trick on a revolver how to manipulate the gun 1 handed. I still remember and use that method to this day, on revolvers.

I've been to other handgun training courses ( took my wife to one too ), and none were as in depth as that one from that NRA/LEO instructor.

I'm guessing they don't train LEO's like this anymore.. if someone had to learn it in the heat of battle. I hope I never have to use it in the heat of battle. I'm glad I was shown how to do it.

I've said since the beginning of Concealed Carry Permits the training should include some form of simulation with blank rounds used against an armed assaulter. The student should experience and learn how to react when being assaulted by gunfire. If nothing like that is conducted you have armed a person with no experience in how to control the rounds they discharge. We discussed that theory earlier here, "Quality versus Quantity".

I think the training you experienced was much better than what's conducted today.

I believe from listening to his story he knew how to load with one hand. What he described was the mental process of realizing his left arm (he is left handed) was hanging uselessly and the second or two of him not returning fire as he was being shot at until he mentally adjusted and overcame the handicap. I think all of us would have struggled at that moment. This was an intense, quick, close range gun battle at which he recalled hearing the shooter at one time say "You got me".

I was just now searching again for this story. Hopefully Iowa Public Radio will answer my email request with results. It's a chilling account. The shooter's truck was found not far away but the person disappeared and was never saw again. I hope he walked into the wilderness and died from his wounds.