The perfect tractor.

[aczlan]

My vote is is a hybrid between a tehelandler, skid steer, and a regular tractor. The enclosed operator platforms on a skid steer and the tehelandler are safer, but I like the visibility offered on a tractor. So my imaginary tractor would have big wheels ( yes I know they're no good for maximum stability or loader geometry) a super tough loader that can take maximum abuse, good belly pan armor, good lights, good hydraulic flow and either articulated or steered because skid steers tear up too much for my liking. And design the thing right for loader work. Despite the fact that they suck I wouldn't be quick to abandon the 3 point hitch because of the amount of implements for them.

So something like a Toolcat but with bigger wheels?

Aaron Z

 

[claywesttech]

So something like a Toolcat but with bigger wheels?

Aaron Z

I believe he is describing a log skidder with a 3pt hitch and pto. Which would fit the bill for rugged and capable. But our first and foremost objective is reliability and ease of maintenance.

We are considering a unique suspension similar to "rocker bogie" if we were to go with more than 4 wheels, all of the same size. Independently hydraulic driven. The added cost of the suspension would be offset by more traction with smaller less expensive tires, and give us six wheel drive to boot. Also long term, it would have far less shock and jarring to the deivetrain. And more comfort for the operator.

 

[bcp]

An agricultural version of a mini-wheel loader.

https://www.kubotausa.com/products/construction/wheel-loaders/r530

Bruce

 

[4570Man]

So something like a Toolcat but with bigger wheels?

Aaron Z

That would be a start, but I'm pretty sure they have 4 wheel independent suspension and substandard belly armor.

 

[fried1765]

We are particularly focusing on all mechanical fuel injectors. Mechanical fuel pump. Stainless housed mechanical guages. Its very difficult to get away from a starting battery and alternator, but it can and has been done before. All factory wiring will be marine grade in stailess tube conduit.

I have absolutely no problem with a starting battery, and alternator (simple electric system).

 

[dragoneggs]

I don't have enough experience (especially in the size/weight) range you are proposing... to properly respond to each of your questions in detail but a few of my thoughts...

1. Extra emphasis on keeping the CG low as possible
2. I am a fan of Japanese small engines, both gas and diesel
3. Toughened (fiber reinforced) thermoplastic parts instead of the neat plastics used now that easily shatter
4. Use of lower ferrous (stainless) steels to minimize rust
5. Like the idea of some kind of a hybrid as 4570Man suggested

Good luck! Personally I think I would explore something where you are not competing with the big boys, Deere, Kubota, New Holland, etc. Need to find your niche!

 

[4570Man]

I don't have enough experience (especially in the size/weight) range you are proposing... to properly respond to each of your questions in detail but a few of my thoughts...

1. Extra emphasis on keeping the CG low as possible
2. I am a fan of Japanese small engines, both gas and diesel
3. Toughened (fiber reinforced) thermoplastic parts instead of the neat plastics used now that easily shatter
4. Use of lower ferrous (stainless) steels to minimize rust
5. Like the idea of some kind of a hybrid as 4570Man suggested

Good luck! Personally I think I would explore something where you are not competing with the big boys, Deere, Kubota, New Holland, etc. Need to find your niche!

Low center of gravity and big tires would be nice. Some machines like crop sprayers build the ground clearance much higher than the center of the wheels. Maybe the same concept in reverse. The reason I'm a fan of big wheels is they work a lot better for traveling over soft ground. I think using stainless for rust prevention is far too expensive. And using a gas engine would cut the cost by thousands which would make this machine more likely to be a success.

 

[bcp]

Build an "assembled" tractor with as few custom parts as possible. It's nice to buy or order lights, belts, fittings, engine parts, etc. at any auto parts store.

Bruce

 

[dragoneggs]

Low center of gravity and big tires would be nice. Some machines like crop sprayers build the ground clearance much higher than the center of the wheels. Maybe the same concept in reverse. The reason I'm a fan of big wheels is they work a lot better for traveling over soft ground. I think using stainless for rust prevention is far too expensive. And using a gas engine would cut the cost by thousands which would make this machine more likely to be a success.

Oh I agree on all accounts! This two lifetime tractor is gonna be expensive! I think I only live once and if not, I doubt I would be able to reclaim my old tractor anyways!

But if someone wants to pay for the be all, end all tractor, then thats what I would do. Definitely not suggesting a gas engine though... just like Japanese small engines.

 

[4570Man]

I think this tractor has to be competitively priced. I could be wrong but I think the two guy show tractor company is already going to be a hard sale. I don't think anyone is going to pay more than what a a big company tractor is. Look at power trac. They're priced pretty cheap and if it wasn't for this forum I wouldn't even know they existed. And I'm not throwing rocks at this guys idea because I like it.