Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics?

/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #21  
You cannot protect a house against lightning. Every thing you buy is just a waste of money that might make you feel good, but will not do anything to stop lightning. The only preventative thing that you can do is buy insurance to replace what is destroyed.

Client of mine had some trees hit by lightning in her back yard in the middle of Tyler. The lightning traveled down the trees, across her lawn, to her natural gas pipe line, and then through the ground wires into her pane, and then to her electronics in her house, frying everything. Multiple breakers melted inside her box, yet the lights and outlets where fine. TV's, computer, phones, microwave, dryer and a few other things all died. She had surge protectors on the TV and Computer. They didn't do anything.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #22  
Appliances that have electronic controls have switches that I can turn them off. It's a pain to get up in the middle of the night to shut stuff off, when lightning storms approach, and then dealing with the stupid microwave that needs to have the time and date put back in. But I have no insurance. And really, if you do use insurance, they get their money back out of you anyway.

It's amazing how many perfectly good and fairly new appliance you see at the dump just because the electronics got blown up. Yup, that's progress! It would be fine if you could buy them (the circuit boards) for what they cost (maybe fifty bucks) and not 800!
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #23  
You cannot protect a house against lightning. Every thing you buy is just a waste of money that might make you feel good, but will not do anything to stop lightning. The only preventative thing that you can do is buy insurance to replace what is destroyed.

Client of mine had some trees hit by lightning in her back yard in the middle of Tyler. The lightning traveled down the trees, across her lawn, to her natural gas pipe line, and then through the ground wires into her pane, and then to her electronics in her house, frying everything. Multiple breakers melted inside her box, yet the lights and outlets where fine. TV's, computer, phones, microwave, dryer and a few other things all died. She had surge protectors on the TV and Computer. They didn't do anything.

When you get a direct hit I totally agree, nothing will help. I have seen lightning hit a tree jump to the house jump to the wiring in the attic and go out of the outlet in a bedroom and catch the bed on fire. I think the surge protectors are just that, surge protection , not direct hits protection, probably for lightning in the distance (miles) that by the time it travels on the wire it has simmered down a bit.

Even in just a surge
My stove was turned off and so was the washer but without surge protection the circuit boards were still fried. The only way is to disconnect the wiring, not just turn the electronic switch off.

I complained to the electric company that They should not advertise to used energy efficient products if their supply only destroys the products in a simple electrical storm. That is when they sent a crew out with the top of the pole surge protector.
 

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/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #24  
As a kid my brother and I saw ball lightning in the 1950s. We were downstairs and this spinning fireball came out of the sky, landed on the power lines and came into the house. It was about soccer ball sized, moved slowly along, then we smelled smoke. Went upstairs and his mattress was smoldering. We called fire department. He had a tube AM radio by his bed, antenna wire went down behind bed.
I still have radio and it works.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #25  
Should have called Mulder and Scully for that one!
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #26  
If you're rural, don't forget about your well pump !

It's one thing to simply buy another TV or computer,
but if lightning fries the well pump, well, those of you
that have had to pull a deep submersible pump for
replacement know what I mean.

For my well pump I bought a quality brand (Gould)
and I specifically got a 120 volt model and wired it
to a plug end and wired the breaker to a plug receptacle.
So when a storm is approaching, I simply unplug
the pump. This method eliminates all wiring paths
to the pump, even the ground.

The 120 volt pump also made it convenient to operate
with my Hondi 2000 generator when the electric
goes out (ice storm, etc.).
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #27  
From what I've seen, and also lots mention here, lightning is not attracted to ground. My farmhouse when I bought it in 1980 had aluminum siding, never had lightning problems. Then I had it replaced with vinyl and problems started.
The garage is very tall on a hill, never had lightning problems, but it's steel panel and well grounded.
The next roof I put on house I'll really consider steel and ground it. My old tall tobacco barn I had a new roof put on a few years ago, galvanized, and I connected both roof sections with bare copper wire going to a copper driven ground, same ground for electric fence charger ground. The output wire goes around buildings about 5" off ground, insulators every corner to keep groundhogs away.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #28  
If you are serious about surge protection you need to spent $2 - 300 for a whole house panel mounted surge arrester. Read the instructions and follow them. Make the connecting wires as short and as straight as possible. Here in SW Florida we get lighting with every rain. I have not lost anything in 25 years.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #29  
I installed whole-house suppressors in each of our SquareD panels, and have sensitive electronic stuff powered through inexpensive UPSs. But I think the BEST thing I did was to drive in THREE ground rods connected out at the meter base.

I'm not sure I care all that much anymore about the "sensitive electronic stuff" when it's 3am, the power went out at 1am and we've listened to "beep-beep.....beep-beep....beep-beep....beep-beep" from the helpful UPSs for 2 hours!
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #30  
Again, I have decades of experience trying to protect telecom equipment from lightning surges. Good quality surge arrestors do work. The cheap and simple ones containing MOV's don't do much. Anything made by polyphaser is top notch. Of course anything that comes in and melts wires and blows out pipes and makes big holes in your roof. Heck no, your dang surge arrestor is not going to help. But for all of those surges that come in on power and communication lines, yes the proper surge arrestors work and work very well. I know I have solved hundreds of problem sites with the proper application of these arrestors, and proper grounding. The best arrestor in the world will not work without proper grounding. How do you all think cell phone sites stay on the air? Think about it.

Lightning Protection For Industrial Applications - PolyPhaser
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #31  
I've been retired for a few years now but I remember a service call I had for these elderly people and they had problems with noise on their t.v. pictures. I traced the ground wire from their dish receiver outside, then followed it to a bush. When I pulled on it the end was all balled up with leaves covering it!
The last ground rod I put here , I've never read to do this but I drove it in, removed it and poured in copper sulfate every so often
thinking that may make a better ground. Keeping soil moist certainly helps.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #32  
I once studied grounding systems years ago. Mostly material from Polyphaser. Mostly having to do with single point systems. Anyway, a given amount of ground will only suck up so much lightning. At my tower site and radio shack, I had about a dozen ground rods and a single point grounding panel. All coax, heliax, power and telephone was grounded at that one spot. Never had a problem and other stuff nearby was getting blasted on a regular basis.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #33  
If lightning wants to come in there's no stopping it. We have crazy thunderstorms in Kansas and have never lost anything to lightning.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #34  
My house is built on a site where lightening burnt the previous down*.

Since lightening never strikes twice I am supposedly safe. LOL

*Careful post fire examination showed me how the electricians really botched the grounding.
The one rod was simply slid under a 5 inch layer of topsoil that covered the bedrock with the ground wire melted near the foundation when the bolt arced to ground. If wet perhaps it worked but dry mossy 5" topsoil is not a good conductor.

My scariest encounter with lightening was one evening visiting friends when a lightening bolt struck and travelled down the chain that supported a chandelier in our host living room. Needless to say the lights went out.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #35  
I once studied grounding systems years ago. Mostly material from Polyphaser. Mostly having to do with single point systems. Anyway, a given amount of ground will only suck up so much lightning. At my tower site and radio shack, I had about a dozen ground rods and a single point grounding panel. All coax, heliax, power and telephone was grounded at that one spot. Never had a problem and other stuff nearby was getting blasted on a regular basis.

All of the professional reading materiel's and the experiences of guys in the business say this is the way to do it.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #36  
Speaking on grounding, could a person increase the amount of ground they are getting if they had a ground wire attached to a metal goat fence and metal t posts? Would a hundred t posts spread out over a large area, but only a foot or two in the ground, all connected with the wire fence, accomplish anything?
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #37  
Speaking on grounding, could a person increase the amount of ground they are getting if they had a ground wire attached to a metal goat fence and metal t posts? Would a hundred t posts spread out over a large area, but only a foot or two in the ground, all connected with the wire fence, accomplish anything?

Not much. But some of it would depend on the soil they are driven in. Dry sandy soil, not much. Wet all the time swamp. Probably would help quit a bit.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #38  
We ended up putting in grounding beds for unconventional well sites. There was a large amount of metal equipment with the biggest ground rod and tower connected together. The rig itself was around 200' tall, and sat on wooden mats which insulated it from the ground and a moisture barrier of 60mil plastic kept the water from making a connection. The drill string could be over 15,000' deep in the ground. A bed of copper wires was installed to provided proper grounding and I believe it was tested although i can't recall exactly what the method was. I do remember that it had to meet a certain resistance before it was certified. Everything electrical on the location was then tied into the grounding mat. That was a VERY expensive process but it protected millions of dollars of equipment.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #39  
All of the professional reading materiel's and the experiences of guys in the business say this is the way to do it.
i tend to disagree. A ground plane / grid with connections anywhere to it is better. I have seen people get shocked on grounded equipment where dedicated single ground point was practiced.

I also have taken grounding and lighning protection courses, but many yrs ago.
 
/ Those with lightning storms, how do you protect electronics? #40  
Speaking on grounding, could a person increase the amount of ground they are getting if they had a ground wire attached to a metal goat fence and metal t posts? Would a hundred t posts spread out over a large area, but only a foot or two in the ground, all connected with the wire fence, accomplish anything?

Not much. But some of it would depend on the soil they are driven in. Dry sandy soil, not much. Wet all the time swamp. Probably would help quit a bit.

With all do respect I'll make the counterpoint argument: "Why Jane, you ignorant ****!" (No, no, no, just joking. -Old SNL reference :D sorry :rolleyes:).

While soil, and moisture content does make a big difference, the more surface area of your ground electrode system (ground rod, etc...) that is in contact with the earth, especially over a wider area, the more effective the ground system is (i.e. the more charge that the earth will "absorb", while minimizing the voltage rise on the ground system (and things connected to it: electronics, etc..).

One can almost think of lightning as water in a fire hose and ground electrodes (rods, etc..) as a perforated pipe, and the earth as a sponge.

There's a big difference in putting all the charge into one 8'-3/4" ground rod, versus into many rods, versus running it into a buried perforated pipe for 100's of feet (i.e. a buried bare conductor or an actual water pipe). Often when I design grounding for a large building I'll bond the buildings ground system (and lightning system if it has one) with rebar in the footings, with the steel columns, with utility water pipes (that may run for miles, like your sheep fence), AND have a buried bare copper wire loop that circles the building. The effective earth contact area of this grid is 1000's of times more than (2) 8'x3/4"' ground rods.

However, you've just made a larger target for lightning; that is a low resistant path now spread out over acres, or extends the ground (earth) higher into the sky, and is easier to travel on than air or wood and is also connected to your electrical systems ground (receptacles, etc....). However the point is that the lightning travels on YOUR least resistive path and doesn't ignite the wood or flash over to something you don't want it to.

Lightning will take the least resistant path, so if it is "on" (raises the voltage of) your ground system and the ground rod(s) can't handle it, the voltage will raise to the point it will overwhelm and jump across the "minimal insulation" in your electronics, frying them trying to find another way. Conversely if it comes in on the power or communication lines, it will jump (in your electronics or panel) to your ground, and fry them. This is what surge protectors block ("block" is not appropriate word, as they actually "short" the excess voltage to ground.)

Most professionals recommend a multitier surge protection approach. A main panel surge arrestor, in addition to individual end user protection. There's also many different styles and levels of protection at each location. Some are just one-shot devices.

Something else to understand: Let's say lighting hits a tree and the ground at the base of tree goes to 10,000 volts, say the ground 10' away is 7000 volts, say 15' is 5000 volts, etc... (note: here voltage is only a comparison to something unaffected, far away.) If your standing 10' from tree with your feet together, you may be a "bird on the wire" and not get electrocuted. However if you're a cow or a horse with its feet 5 feet apart across (7000-5000=) 2000 volts, that's going to be a problem.
 

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