Western Arctronics ancient stick welder - anybody familiar with this?

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A friend is offering me what looks to be a 50's or earlier AC stick welder. This has a simple plunger on top presumably to move a slug in/out to vary current. No calibration scale. Size is about a 16 inch cube and its extremely heavy, well over 100 lbs.

It comes with well used stick-welder cables, stinger, and ground clamp. Does this look like a general purpose welder, or some kind of dedicated power supply? Anybody familiar with this model?

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Just looking at the label tells me that it is a general purpose everyday stick welder AC only.
Not a HD as the duty cycle indicates but OK for most DIY projects and repairs.
Being vintage it is probably better quality than many current welders and for sure real copper windings.
Most older welders are bullet proof.
 
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Those things are probably collectors items. Back in their day they were probably used with a carbon arc stick for cutting steel also and baling wire and coat hangers for welding. They also made a double arc rod holder to do brazing and heating. My dad had one similar to what you describe, that worked good once you figured out the heat settings. We marked the plunger rod with a file for various settings we used. Dad bought at an auction with all those accessories and an O/A outfit using an acetylene generator using carbide (I haven't seen one of those for a long time). You can still buy carbide though). One lot on a pallet for $50. 1946 Great addition to his sheet metal business he was starting after the war.

Ron
 
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That's some low ocv. Post pics of the whole thing. Many machines were just private labels of some big mfg.
 
   / Western Arctronics ancient stick welder - anybody familiar with this?
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Just looking at the label tells me that it is a general purpose everyday stick welder AC only.
That's good to hear. So the OCV and full-load voltage are in the ballpark for stick welding then? Yes the apparent quality looks to be first-rate. The extreme weight seems to indicate it was built to be durable, likely for a continual production manufacturing environment.

Those things are probably collectors items. Back in their day they were probably used with a carbon arc stick for cutting steel also and baling wire and coat hangers for welding. They also made a double arc rod holder to do brazing and heating. My dad had one similar to what you describe, that worked good once you figured out the heat settings. We marked the plunger rod with a file -

Ron
I have a couple of those carbon arc heating torches! The first one came with my 1960's Montgomery Wards / Century AC230 welder that I bought a few years ago. So the old transformer welders were intended to be used like an acetylene cutting torch as well?
Yes I would need to mark the plunger when I find the sweet spot for various rods. I have a modern lightweight inverter stick/tig welder that I wouldn't want to push to its full rated output (130/160A), this antique would be for the occasional farm implement repairs or carbon-arc torch heating where running at its higher maximum isn't likely to hurt it. At a cost of $40 and salvage value of its cables and windings nearly that, I'm not risking much by running it flat out (keeping within the duty cycle).

That's some low ocv. Post pics of the whole thing. Many machines were just private labels of some big mfg.
Low OCV might be a PIA to get a weld started. Photo: not much to see, it's a 16" cube with rounded corners as shown. There's a plunger on top with a loop handle like a garden sprayer. Two ordinary welding cable push-in connectors. On/off switch, no dials or sliders.

Further research: Googling that name, P. O. Box, and address all I found in the modern era was a now-vacant warehouse, and a firm in the Midwest now using the Arctronics trademark for their line of specialty spot welders. I now think this unit was the dedicated power supply for a spot welder offered years earlier than what is shown in this 1960's (??) catalog:
http://www.sterlingmachinery.com/media/brochures1/file/Western-Arctronics-Spot-Welders-Brochure.pdf . Note the equivalent KVA spot welder in the catalog isn't rated like a stick welder. Instead it specs 7,000 amps for a half second, for each spot weld. I'll bet that dims the lights!

So I'm undecided about buying this. It would be a much more compact replacement for my Wards AC230 which has a bigger footprint than a Tombstone, and I use that one so rarely that anything that stores in a quarter its space and has the same capability (plus can be wired as a 110V stick welder) has got me thinking.

New toys ... :)
 
   / Western Arctronics ancient stick welder - anybody familiar with this?
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If you want compact, $483 shipped to your door. 120/240 volt machine.

ESAB Miniarc 161 LTS Stick Package 0558101694

Edit, oops, I see you have an inverter already.
Thanks! My inverter welder is a 10 years ago Chinese unit that Grizzly sold for a short time. In other words, durability unknown. That's why I think this cheap heavy transformer welder would be preferable for high output work. Particularly for the carbon heating torch that I think might fry the inverter. If this old Arctronics was built for high amperage spot welding then it should tolerate short term overload better than anything that has modern electronics inside.
 
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Those things are probably collectors items. Back in their day they were probably used with a carbon arc stick for cutting steel also and baling wire and coat hangers for welding. They also made a double arc rod holder to do brazing and heating. My dad had one similar to what you describe, that worked good once you figured out the heat settings. We marked the plunger rod with a file for various settings we used. Dad bought at an auction with all those accessories and an O/A outfit using an acetylene generator using carbide (I haven't seen one of those for a long time). You can still buy carbide though). One lot on a pallet for $50. 1946 Great addition to his sheet metal business he was starting after the war.

Ron

My grandad used to tell me about the carbide generator that was used to light the farm house. I think some of the piping is still in the walls. He said they used the leftover sludge for whitewash.
 
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The white sludge is lime. It is the by product of the chemical reaction of the carbide and water. Calcium Carbide is the one of many compounds identified as "carbides". It is what is titled an Acetylide which is where Acetylene gets its name. Acetylene is a compound of Methane which is a Hydrogen compound. Chemistry 101.

Ron
 
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Look at the new Hobart inverter. Great price and ITW is a great company.

SpotWelder transformers are built like a mig but even more so. Very low volts. Very high amps.

The old machines did not use thin lamination in the transformer. Lots of eddy current. Lots of wasted power. Lots of waste heat.
 

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