Surveyor question?

[Jstpssng]

Here, This will add to the confusion. I bought a split off acreage from a farmstead. The surveyor GPS'd all the waypoints ( 15 or more ) put in posts and ribbons. Weeks later a Geocache friend came by with his hopped up GPS and put in all of the coordinates. All but the 1st one were wrong by a 3-5' margin. So, Who's GPS is accurate. This guy does Geocache all over the world. That being said, Another surveyor I talked to about another property I own told me that their unwritten rule is whomever calls the surveyor to come out gets the benefit of the doubt on property lines. Nuts..

No confusion here; the Surveyor pays for a subcription which ties his unit into known points to provide sub meter accuracy... depending on what he has, he makes corrections in the office and has to go out afterward to correct his points. .
The other things that a surveyor has is a license, which he can lose if he consistently does half a**ed work; insurance if he does mess up; and the ability to testify in a court of law if his work ever came into question.

You can trust your friend if you want, but I will believe the word of the guy who has studied and made a career working as a surveyor.

My hand held Garmin gets me very close, and often seems to be right on; but that's just because it isn't as accurate as the survey grade unit.

 

[Oldoak]

No confusion here; the Surveyor pays for a subcription which ties his unit into known points to provide sub meter accuracy... depending on what he has, he makes corrections in the office and has to go out afterward to correct his points. .
The other things that a surveyor has is a license, which he can lose if he consistently does half a**ed work; insurance if he does mess up; and the ability to testify in a court of law if his work ever came into question.

You can trust your friend if you want, but I will believe the word of the guy who has studied and made a career working as a surveyor.

My hand held Garmin gets me very close, and seems to be right on; but that's just because it isn't as accurate as the survey grade unit.

:thumbsup:

 

[Fuddy1952]

I have really good neighbors, we're fortunate. The last long fencing line I did part of it myself and they hired a crew to do the rest. It's right on the line exactly according to the rebar pins. I said I should pay for half and mentioned it twice. They never asked or mentioned it to us, I assume since I never billed them for the section (maybe 1/3rd) I put up.
Now it's really nice having an extra driveway, nice creek crossings, fantastic spring, nice pasture areas I will fence.
Hopefully this may help someone buying land...be 100% sure you know where boundaries are, think about how and where the lines run even if you just run a string. One day you may want to fence it or drive across it.

 

[LouNY]

And then there is my deed description, so many feet along the stonewall to the next intersecting stonewall and so many feet to the next intersection and repeating till the kind of irregular rectangle is completed.
I almost forgot the first stone wall is a measured distance from the centerline of a town road. Not the road I live on but the intersecting one.

 

[Fuddy1952]

Oh...I forgot to mention.
We have friends who essentially are land locked. One has really nice property but the access to it and the beautiful home they built is via a driveway shared by two other people. The other is similar but access by a gravel road shared by a few others. That drive you can barely get through since other parties don't care about the roads condition. Also that property has no timber rights, so although they've lived there for years they lost all their trees to loggers about a year ago.
I couldn't live in a mess like that.

 

[WranglerX]

Here, This will add to the confusion. I bought a split off acreage from a farmstead. The surveyor GPS'd all the waypoints ( 15 or more ) put in posts and ribbons. Weeks later a Geocache friend came by with his hopped up GPS and put in all of the coordinates. All but the 1st one were wrong by a 3-5' margin. So, Who's GPS is accurate. This guy does Geocache all over the world. That being said, Another surveyor I talked to about another property I own told me that their unwritten rule is whomever calls the surveyor to come out gets the benefit of the doubt on property lines. Nuts..

Geocache GPS units are not $5000 land survey most accurate units...

My stupid GPS unit on my Android tablet can not seem to figure out if the error factor is between 54 to 124 for exact point ( which so far out its next to useless in pinpoint work, but it will locate you if are lost but can send me your coordinates)........ Had a hand led unit (Magellan) that was within 10-12 feet..... The are a lot of GPS units out there that accurate enough to drop a atomic bomb on a point with enough accuracy to kill thousands, and the US Geological Survey has stationary units that can tell if tectonic plates on earth are moving mere fractions of a inch....

The GPS system as the transmission and algorithms from the source satellites are most accurate ever, but the GPS receiver is a crapshoot depending on manufacturers receiver and their proprietary calculation algorithm....

Its like anything you get what you pay for...

Dale

 

[Jstpssng]

And then there is my deed description, so many feet along the stonewall to the next intersecting stonewall and so many feet to the next intersection and repeating till the kind of irregular rectangle is completed.
I almost forgot the first stone wall is a measured distance from the centerline of a town road. Not the road I live on but the intersecting one.

Mine simply says "By the land of... By the land of... By the land of... Thence down the road to POB. All of the landowners referenced in the deed have returned to dust long ago. It's my understanding that if monuments are called for in the deed, they hold more weight than the actual bearings and distances.

 

[WranglerX]

Mine simply says "By the land of... By the land of... By the land of... Thence down the road to POB. All of the landowners referenced in the deed have returned to dust long ago. It's my understanding that if monuments are called for in the deed, they hold more weight than the actual bearings and distances.

MY guy (old skool) uses bearing (compass)and distances (string reel with counter) to locate monuments...

Topometric string - hip-chain distance measurer | Dendrotik

Generally all boundary lines I have been associated with have uses monuments... Even the one on adjacent property I used GPS to locate monument was on plot map... On thee of my monuments (3/4 rebar driven into ground) that were hard to locate I places a "T" stake (fence) within a foot or so if rebar to easier locate it for future references...

Dale

 

[Diggin It]

All this discussion of fences on property lines may be necessary in tighter quarters where such things might matter more. I always figured that if I ever put up a fence on newly acquired property that didn't already have one, I'd come inside the line about 10'. That would let me mow and keep things trimmed so the fence line was always visible (you know, crazy four wheelers and all). I'd then set a second line of T-posts spaced further apart along the property line itself, but with no fence wire.

 

[Oldoak]

I'd then set a second line of T-posts spaced further apart along the property line itself, but with no fence wire.

Very wise thing to do. I have see neighbors fight over property where the actual fence was set inside of the owner's property line and years later the neighbor on the outside of the fence is claiming to own all the property right up to the fence. In fact there is one such dispute going on down the road from me at the present time.

Edited to correct missspelling.