8' wide LPGS for a CUT

[oosik]

Piston - if you get the Land Pride GS2596 it has dual attachment points for the 3-point lower arms( Class 1/ Class 2). My LPGS is one of my implements where I have put my "great blob" of concrete on for added weight. This blob weighs 485#. So 796# for the LPGS + 485 for the blob = 1281# I have no qualm about doing this because my 3-point is class 2. The added weight sure quiets things down.

WoW! I still have a picture of my blob. Everybody should have a blob. View attachment 572522

 

[Piston]

Piston - if you get the Land Pride GS2596 it has dual attachment points for the 3-point lower arms( Class 1/ Class 2). My LPGS is one of my implements where I have put my "great blob" of concrete on for added weight. This blob weighs 485#. So 796# for the LPGS + 485 for the blob = 1281# I have no qualm about doing this because my 3-point is class 2. The added weight sure quiets things down.

WoW! I still have a picture of my blob. Everybody should have a blob. View attachment 572522

I will probably do just that.
BTW, how would you compare your Rhino 950 rear blade to pulling the grading scraper?
I have a Landpride RBT4096 rear blade that weighs 850 pounds not including hydraulic cylinders and skid shoes. I believe your blade is pretty much identical in specs at about 840 pounds or so? Which is harder to pull?

 

[oosik]

Piston - sorry I'm not back sooner. Our local wx is really raising havoc with HughesNet. Anyhow - my Rhino 950 lists for 1015# and with the mechanical adjustors rather than the hydraulic ones its right at 1100#. How hard do they pull - kind of depends upon what I'm doing...

However - without a doubt I can bring the Orange beast to a standstill with all four wheels digging when pulling the rear blade. The only way that will ever happen with the LPGS is with all the scarifiers full down and then have them hook on to some bedrock. I had that happen a couple years ago - the one time I wished I had my seatbelt on. Came real close to launching me right forward and down off the hood.

Anyhow - when I'm out making new trails - right thru the big 'ol sage brush - around my ancient Ponderosa pines - I got the concrete blob on the LPGS - dust, dirt, field grass, sage brush and cow poo - all flying in all directions - all at the same time. Katie bar the door - here comes the wild man and his orange beast. Scarifiers full down - breaking virgin ground - creating new trails. The only time its pulled hard is that one time the scarifiers hook solid bedrock.

Sounds really wild - doesn't it - actually I'm going somewhere between two to three MPH.

 

[Piston]

Thanks for the comparison, that’s good to know. I don’t see myself using the scarifiers much at all with the grading scraper. The biggest issue I may have with the size is banging it into trees when going through my trails
Regardless, I should be picking it up this weekend and hoping to give it a try shortly after that. Depends how much of a break the wife will give me from renovating the house.

I’m curious about your blade, although it’s off topic, the Rhino site lists it as 836lbs. Is yours an older/heavier version? They don’t list one in the 1,000lb range (there is a pretty big gap in their lineup there!)

 

[oosik]

Well - I bought the blade just a year ago. My Op manual lists the weights for the 8 foot 950 at 1015# and the 9 foot 950 at 1055#. The manual adjusters - tilt, angle & offset add an additional 85#.

Doesn't make sense, does it - such a small gap between the 850 to 950 and then look at the jump between the 950 to the 1540.


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[oosik]

Strange - I would guess that there is some sort of miss print in the Rhino site listing. Look at the very little weight difference between the 850 to the 950. Then look at the large gap between the 950 to the 1540.

You know what - this is NOT a situation that weighs on my mind and WILL NOT be resolved with my digital bathroom scales - ha, ha, ha.

 

[BMan2005]

Well - I bought the blade just a year ago. My Op manual lists the weights for the 8 foot 950 at 1015# and the 9 foot 950 at 1055#. The manual adjusters - tilt, angle & offset add an additional 85#.

Doesn't make sense, does it - such a small gap between the 850 to 950 and then look at the jump between the 950 to the 1540.


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Yeah odd your manual disagree's with the online spec weight. I would tend to think the manual is more correct, but who knows. Rhino makes the 100 series rear blade for Bush hog also and Bush hog has the same weight that rhino has on there site.
Just for kicks, The Rhino 850 & Bush Hog 91 series are a rebranded Dirt Dog 91 series blade. Funny how they all swap Implements between one another.

 

[RickB]

Well Rhino and Bush Hog are both owned by Alamo Group. Not a stretch to believe there is some commonality.

 

[Piston]

That is really strange that there is such a discrepancy. It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, as long as it works well the specs don’t mean squat. However it sure is a big difference!
It’s also strange that the 8’ blade is rated for considerably more tractor than the 9’ is rated for. I would tend to believe the operators manual over the website.

 

[oosik]

Those two areas are just really weird. Must be the same group that wrote the implement spec page for my M6040 as the spec sheet for Rhino rear blades. My implement spec page is just full of impossible inconsistencies.

I have a feeling that a lot of these inconsistencies are because the design engineers who may also write the implement spec page - face a world of four walls and never are let out to smell dirt - see an implement under actual work conditions - are faced with conditions other than a perfectly flat concrete floor when connecting/dropping their ground engagement implements.

There are, of course, exceptions. But those exceptions are the things we never forget

 

[sandman2234]

My 7 foot very heavy homemade one will stop my JD2555 (70 hp, 6500 pounds) if I am moving dirt with it and let it over fill. It will move more dirt than my 6 foot box blade, which is why the box blade sits un-used. Could I pull it with a smaller tractor, yes, but it would stop it very easily if I were digging in with it. If you control it and just grade, you might get away with it, but I would try it before I bought it .
David from jax

 

[Piston]

Well - I bought the blade just a year ago. My Op manual lists the weights for the 8 foot 950 at 1015# and the 9 foot 950 at 1055#. The manual adjusters - tilt, angle & offset add an additional 85#.

Doesn't make sense, does it - such a small gap between the 850 to 950 and then look at the jump between the 950 to the 1540.


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I started thinking more about your rear blade, and the difference in weight listed on the spec sheet online and the operators manual. It got me to thinking, I wonder if many of my implements are actually a different weight than is listed in the operators manual.
Just to curb my appetite for correct information, I emailed Rhino from their contact page. Much to my surprise, they got back to me very quickly (it seems they have excellent customer service). The lady that replied wrote the following....

Good Afternoon, Matt,

The operators manual is incorrect. I will forward on the issue and have it corrected.
The weight of the blade will vary depending on the blade size. If you have a 8 blade it weighs 836LBS. If you have an 9 blade it was 876LBS.

I have also attached the operators manual.

If you have any other questions please let me know.

Thank you and have a great weekend!

So at least now you know how much your blade actually weighs, I would have thought the operators manual was an accurate source of info, but I think your right, some desk jockey who never has even used this stuff probably wrote it, and had too many tabs open on his screen when he did!

I am now curious what the true weight of my implements are. The only real way to know for sure, is to weigh them. Of course it doesnt really matter one way or the other, as long as they work well, but it makes me curious nonetheless. It also throws off weight calculations when trying to figure out how much weight you have on a trailer.
I checked amazon for a 2000 lb crane scale, however it looks like the cheapest (accurate) scale is around $130. :confused3:

 

[oosik]

That is most interesting and, for me, brings up another quandary. So the blade is 836 plus the manual adjusters @ 85 - total is 920 pounds. Then some one thing else or maybe many something else's are off by about 180 pounds.

When I weighed my M6040 on the ADM grain scales it was exactly 11000 pounds +/- 20 pounds. So something or many somethings has gained 180 pounds.

And NO it is not me. I made certain I was not on the platform. Besides - me on or off the scales platform would have, unfortunately, been more than 180 pounds!!

But it certainly does make for some interesting questions.

When I weighed the tractor -I had the Rhino 950 on the 3-point and the Land Pride SGC1560 grapple on the FEL. I know the ADM folks and they are very nice and accommodating - but I don't think they would look too kindly if I wanted to start weighing individual components. It would be a time thing for them. The time it would take for me to disconnect/reconnect and fiddly-fart around.

I do wish there was a scales system closer. I do not enjoy the ride into ADM, in Cheney, on the tractor. Its a typical narrow paved country road and many folks drive like they are chasing bats out of Hades.

Oh, Well - another mystery and time moves on.

 

[JerryK]

Part of the problem is sometimes confusing shipping weight, actual weight of the item, or possibly a new version of what they used to sell/build..... I bought a set of 48" Construction Implements Depot skid steer forks for my Mahindri. There was the shipping weight listed when they sent it and there was the about 325# figure that they said it actually weighs when I emailed them. Still don't know exactly how much it really weighs, although it is good to have a little sand on top of my concrete when you try to manually drag the thing out of it's storage location to mount.

 

[oosik]

It makes me wonder - "How does industry weigh items?". Its more than obvious - some must throw darts at a board. Maybe some might even use a beam scale or floor scale. There is just sufficient inaccuracies that I question the whole lot of them.

I do know that the grain scales at ADM - in Cheney - are checked by the State Dept of Weights & Measure's - they have a current yellow sticker on the consul monitor.

 

[BMan2005]

That is most interesting and, for me, brings up another quandary. So the blade is 836 plus the manual adjusters @ 85 - total is 920 pounds. Then some one thing else or maybe many something else's are off by about 180 pounds.

When I weighed my M6040 on the ADM grain scales it was exactly 11000 pounds +/- 20 pounds. So something or many somethings has gained 180 pounds.

And NO it is not me. I made certain I was not on the platform. Besides - me on or off the scales platform would have, unfortunately, been more than 180 pounds!!

But it certainly does make for some interesting questions.

When I weighed the tractor -I had the Rhino 950 on the 3-point and the Land Pride SGC1560 grapple on the FEL. I know the ADM folks and they are very nice and accommodating - but I don't think they would look too kindly if I wanted to start weighing individual components. It would be a time thing for them. The time it would take for me to disconnect/reconnect and fiddly-fart around.

I do wish there was a scales system closer. I do not enjoy the ride into ADM, in Cheney, on the tractor. Its a typical narrow paved country road and many folks drive like they are chasing bats out of Hades.

Oh, Well - another mystery and time moves on.

Misprint or not man it obviously does everything you require, matches your tractor perfectly, built to handle what it can do, and obviously your happy with it. Just grade on :thumbsup:

My LP rbt4096 is about the same identical blade in every way and my tractor, perfect fit!

OP, you picked up that land plane yet!?

 

[Piston]

It makes me wonder - "How does industry weigh items?". Its more than obvious - some must throw darts at a board. Maybe some might even use a beam scale or floor scale. There is just sufficient inaccuracies that I question the whole lot of them.

I do know that the grain scales at ADM - in Cheney - are checked by the State Dept of Weights & Measure's - they have a current yellow sticker on the consul monitor.

Just out of curiosity, I may buy one of those crane scales one (have other uses for it too) and just see what stuff really does weigh. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t make a lick of difference what the numbers say, only how well it works. I’d just be curious to know.

 

[Piston]

Misprint or not man it obviously does everything you require, matches your tractor perfectly, built to handle what it can do, and obviously your happy with it. Just grade on :thumbsup:

My LP rbt4096 is about the same identical blade in every way and my tractor, perfect fit!

OP, you picked up that land plane yet!?

Agreed!

And no I haven’t picked it up yet, I’m out of the country. I work on a ship (one of the reasons I have so much down time to look this stuff up ) so I’m not around at the moment, but should be getting it this Monday as soon as I’m home.

 

[aczlan]

It makes me wonder - "How does industry weigh items?". Its more than obvious - some must throw darts at a board. Maybe some might even use a beam scale or floor scale. There is just sufficient inaccuracies that I question the whole lot of them.

Generally with a floor scale for small stuff and a drive on scale for large stuff, however they may calculate the weight based on the steel used and the amount of welding wire or rod that they calculate should be used.

I do know that the grain scales at ADM - in Cheney - are checked by the State Dept of Weights & Measure's - they have a current yellow sticker on the consul monitor.

Note that those scales are probably set to measure in 20# increments and are certified to be accurate to 3 graduations (ie: the displayed weight is certified to be accurate to +/- 60#).

Aaron Z

 

[JerryK]

You guys pool your money and buy me one of those drive on scales... and I will let you occasionally use it. By appointment and if I am around... I would take real good care of it...