detent or float

[OrangeToys]

Ok I am about to order a set of rear remotes and apparently theres 2 differents styles and options to pick. I know nothing about them. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

[kuboman]

Ok I am about to order a set of rear remotes and apparently theres 2 differents styles and options to pick. I know nothing about them. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Detent means it will lock in the position you put the lever until the implement reaches the top/bottom of stroke.
Float will allow the implement to move up or down on it's own. It all depends on what you are going to do with it. I would get float no matter what. Detent is up to you. Without detent you will have to hold the lever to move the implement up or down.

 

[J_J]

Just about all float position on valves have detent. I sure would not want to hold that lever in float.

If you are going to use the a two spool valve for T-N-T, you don't want detent. Float on one spool is good for grading. A third spool with detent would be good to have for log splitter or BH.

 

[grsthegreat]

agree 100% with JJ.

The only thing i do like about my detente valve is i can lock it when using the rear 3 point mounted log splitter.

Otherwise the detente is a PITA.

My 2nd valve doesnt have a detente and i use that for most everything i do cept the logsplitter.

 

[OrangeToys]

Just saw that in the manual that the top and bottom set is detent and the second set is a float.

 

[Green Acres Homestead]

Man I wish I had JJ's knowledge. I would save a bundle in my small business. As a matter of fact he already saved me money. Thanks JJ.

 

[crazyal]

It's my understanding that detent and float are two different things. Detent is a way of holding the lever in position while float allows fluid to travel in both directions from the cylinder lines.

For example if you wanted to run a hydraulic motor you would want a detent to hold the lever in the correct position so fluid can power the motor otherwise you would have to hold it by hand or by wrapping a rope to hold it. Another example would be a log splitter (if you've ever used one). When extending the cylinder to split the log you don't have a detent. If you let go of the lever it will spring back to the neutral position and the cylinder stops moving. However when retracting the cylinder the valve has a detent. Once you push the lever to retract the cylinder you can let go of it and reach for a new log while the cylinder will continue to retract on it's own.

Float just allows a cylinder to extend and retract if the attachment pulls or pushes on it. Your FEL most likely has a float setting. If you were strong enough when the lift motion is in float you could lift the loader up or if it was up it would fall to the ground. Most (maybe all) valves that have a float option will have a detent to hold the lever in float mode.

I'm not positive but it sounds like what you are calling detent is actually a position for the lever that will keep hydraulic fluid flowing (so you could run a hydraulic motor) without having to hold the lever.

 

[SSdoxie]

Detent is just a term for the spring loaded mechanisim in the valve centering spring that holds the valve spool in a fully stoked position. Depending on the valve spool type and valve casting if it is constant power supply out or if it holds the spool in a float poistion. Both types of valve will allow pressure out in both directions without going into "detent". A 3rd option (on constant power) is to have auto-return to neutral, when pressure reachs a set value the detent releases and spool returns to neutral - commonly used on log splitter valve for cylinder retract.
If both choices were available on my tractor, I would have one of each.

 

[grsthegreat]

Ya, ive always just refereed to it as detente and non detente. When you lock the valve in the detente position, the hydraulics then are free to float (like the front loader)

 

[tshep]

Not being an expert in this field, I would have expected there to be:

detent - some extra resistance for some extra stroke to operating lever, that may or may not lock (BX23 bucket dump, old cars push down 'reverse')

and then locking or holding detent - like bucket (lift arms) float

I found both types when I serviced my late BX23 FEL lever system - balls up a ramp, and also balls up a ramp and then in a groove.

How are locking detent and non-locking detent ('special position') differentiated?
Is a detent something you go through (the resistant ramp) or something that holds (the groove)?
I can see a case for both...

 

[dex3361]

I ordered one of my rear remotes with float detente. This allows me to float the top cylinder on a box blade (keeps the wash board effect to a minimum. I also use it to allow the rotary cutter to float up and down while mowing. :thumbsup:

 

[AGTtactical]

I ordered one of my rear remotes with float detente. This allows me to float the top cylinder on a box blade (keeps the wash board effect to a minimum. I also use it to allow the rotary cutter to float up and down while mowing. :thumbsup:

Why do you guys keep adding an e to the word detent? Its detent, not detente. Detente is "the easing of hostility or strained relations, especially between countries", LOL.

 

[CobyRupert]

All those extra "'E's"!
Try living in New England/Canadian border area. , where they want to put on a production of "The Last of the Mohicans" in a theatre at the centre of ye olde fort.

 

[AGTtactical]

All those extra "'E's"!
Try living in New England/Canadian border area. , where they want to put on a production of "The Last of the Mohicans" in a theatre at the centre of ye olde fort.

Funny.

Hey, Kubota offers two types of vales for their rear remotes (this is going on a L6060): a "double acting valve", and a "float detent valve". Is their float detent valve simply a double acting valve with a float detent option on it? In other words, does a float detent valve work just like a double acting valve, with an option to use the float if you want?

Do I lose anything by buying a float detent valve vs. a double acting valve? I want to add a top-n-tilt kit one day, and Kubota says I need two double acting valves (which might mean double acting valves with a float detent is ok too). Called a dealer...he was as clueless as me.

Is it usefull to have have two float valves?

 

[bunyip]

ye olde fort, you realise that ye is pronounced 'the' as the old 'Y' in medieval English was one letter sounded as 'TH', it was formed differently to the y.
We have an event organiser who insists on calling first aid 'first aide', the addition of the 'e' transforms the verb to a noun.
Pedantic hat off.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Funny.

Hey, Kubota offers two types of vales for their rear remotes (this is going on a L6060): a "double acting valve", and a "float detent valve". Is their float detent valve simply a double acting valve with a float detent option on it? In other words, does a float detent valve work just like a double acting valve, with an option to use the float if you want?

Do I lose anything by buying a float detent valve vs. a double acting valve? I want to add a top-n-tilt kit one day, and Kubota says I need two double acting valves (which might mean double acting valves with a float detent is ok too). Called a dealer...he was as clueless as me.

Is it usefull to have have two float valves?

Yes the float detent valves work just like a double acting valve, but also has the float feature. Exactly like your loader control valve for raise -lower.

Better to have and not need than to need and not have. I always recommend that a person get both valves with the float feature for top & tilt.

 

[AGTtactical]

Thank you MVR! I spoke to 3 different tractor salesmen today...they keep saying "our paperwork says you have to buy two double acting valves to put on a TNT." I said "you sure that doesn't mean two float detent valves as well, since they are also double acting?" None of them knew....ridiculous. How can you be a tractor salesman for years and not know this?

Anyhow, I'm getting a flail mower for it...probably a 78" Woodmax with the hydraulic extension. TNT would be nice for cutting grass to the side of the tractor, and use the top link to make the mower ride on the rear roller more to keep from scalping.

Should I add a 3rd remote? Two for the TNT, and one for the hydraulic extension for the flail mower (a simple double acting valve)? Would be handy to be able to extend the mower to get into places the tractor can't go.

You guys like the TNT setup? Seems REALLY nice...we could really use it for grading our gravel driveway too.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Thank you MVR! I spoke to 3 different tractor salesmen today...they keep saying "our paperwork says you have to buy two double acting valves to put on a TNT." I said "you sure that doesn't mean two float detent valves as well, since they are also double acting?" None of them knew....ridiculous. How can you be a tractor salesman for years and not know this?

Anyhow, I'm getting a flail mower for it...probably a 78" Woodmax with the hydraulic extension. TNT would be nice for cutting grass to the side of the tractor, and use the top link to make the mower ride on the rear roller more to keep from scalping.

Should I add a 3rd remote? Two for the TNT, and one for the hydraulic extension for the flail mower (a simple double acting valve)? Would be handy to be able to extend the mower to get into places the tractor can't go.

You guys like the TNT setup? Seems REALLY nice...we could really use it for grading our gravel driveway too.

My advice, get all 3 and get all 3 with the float feature.

As far as T&T, pretty much anyone that has ever had it would not be without it ever again. When you have manual adjustments, you have ("That's good enough"). When you have hydraulic adjustments you have ("That's perfect").

Your choice.

 

[AGTtactical]

Thanks very much Mtn! It seems a no brainer to me too...especially if you use the tractor for grading (and mowing with a flail). But every dealer I spoke to has only sold a couple of them. Of course, 20 years ago, no one bought 4 wheel drive tractors either.

Through Kubota, a double acting valve is $240. A float detent valve is $302. Is it true that with a float detent, you don't have to shut off the tractor to depressurize the connection to remove it? Simply move the lever to the float detent position, and you release the pressure so you can pop the hose off (changing an implement for example). Seems like the extra $62 would be worth it for that feature alone if I understand it right.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

Thanks very much Mtn! It seems a no brainer to me too...especially if you use the tractor for grading (and mowing with a flail). But every dealer I spoke to has only sold a couple of them. Of course, 20 years ago, no one bought 4 wheel drive tractors either.

Through Kubota, a double acting valve is $240. A float detent valve is $302. Is it true that with a float detent, you don't have to shut off the tractor to depressurize the connection to remove it? Simply move the lever to the float detent position, and you release the pressure so you can pop the hose off (changing an implement for example). Seems like the extra $62 would be worth it for that feature alone if I understand it right.

Yes, it will let the pressure off of the lines, tractor running or not. As far as the dealers not knowing these things. I believe that the majority of dealers, sales staff, manufacturers are not end users. So they "really" have no idea of what works and what doesn't in real world use.

Get all 3 rear remotes with the float feature and be happy. Get top & tilt and be even happier. :thumbsup: