Comparison Bought a Massey 4707, Ask Me Anything

[Maharaja]

Thanks for the advice. The positives in my case is MF dealer is closest and good folks (family owne for 25 years). Con- if I dont pay cash price difference is substantial.
Big premium to finance at 0%.
I will look at both again next weekend. I have not looked at Case IH.

Kubota builds a great machine, but they have rested on their heels with new technology and offerings. Personally, I am not a fan of anything with a DPF due to time to regen, excessive heat, and eventually needing to clean or replace, which is very expensive. Massey Ferguson was able to achieve tier 4 without any DPF On the 4700 series. This is huge. Case IH/NH were able to achieve this with a hybrid DPF that regens passively and only about half as often. If Kubota were able to achieve this, it would be a stellar machine. Fact of the matter is that you get alot more trac6for the money with the Massey 4707 or Case IH 75c. The only exception to this is if you need a lightweight, highly maneuverable tractor for your work, where the Kubota will shine. Feature for feature, Massey gives you most bang for the buck. Don't take lightly dealer support in your decision either . Best of luck

 

[Bigpuddie]

Sorry for the late reply, it didn't seem like this post was getting any action, so I stopped paying attention. We've had the 4707 for almost a year now and am pretty pleased with it. As far as cheaply made parts, I believe the parts are significantly heavier duty than our comparable Kubota M6040. The shuttle is fantastic has worked well, though I can only compare with Kubota manual shuttles, which are always sticky and a source of agravation for me.

We work some steep land and have been watching the side hill angles. In the manual it notes to not exceed 20 degree side hills but I've pushed 40 degrees. There are two issues with this. 1) The tractor sits up high on account of the large tires and it feels unstable in comparison to the Kubota. I'm not sure if this is real instability or just due to the elevated position. In any case, I feel more comfortable in the Kubota (open station) on side hills than the Massey. 2) Fuel deliver, I believe, has been a problem when the tank is under 1/4 full and you're in the 20-30 degree range. I've had it cut off and think it just isn't pulling in fuel. Now that I know this, I've been able to prevent it. This has never been a problem with the Kubota.

I have the self-leveling loader. It is fantastic. Super sensitive and smooth. I can also pickup significantly more weight with it than the Kubota. Also, the heavier tractor helps. It's really a well made loader, much smoother to operate than the Kubota.

Here are a few other things that are important that you didnt ask but I will tell you anyway:

- We blew out the front right CV joint on the axle which Massey covered without any hesitation, agreeing it was a factory defect. Looking the axles over, they look very solid in comparison to the other tractors we looked at. I am assuming this is a one-off situation though it may indicate poor construction.

- The serpentine belt came of and was damaged, the dealer also replaced this under warranty.

- Over the year, it has thrown a lot of errors but none of consequence. For instance, holding in the clutch too long will show as an error. Also, we had a water in the fuel error which was resolved after we drained the oil/water seperator.

- This is a bigger tractor than the Kubota which is a plus and a minus. For any heavy duty tasks it is a champ. For tight turning and nimblness, the Kubota wins hands down.

- The range of the 3 point hitch blows the Kubota out of the water and is generally a lot more stout and easier to hook up to implements.

- This is a clean burning engine, you'll be surprised how much you appreciate this after you switch back to an older tractor.

- Power (this is a big one) - The engine has no low-end power, you need to square with this. Once it's in the 1200 rpm range everything is fine. To compensate for this, the tractor has an auto function where it maintains a certain RPM and it works very well. I set this to about 1200 and leave it there when I a working which effectively sets the minimum rpm it will run at. Then I can use the hand or foot throttle to set working speed. In this way I don't have to worry about getting down into the no power zone. Above 1200 rpm, it has plenty of power.

Any other questions?

edit: Another thing came to mind, the turning radius on the Massey is abysmal.

With regard to your turning radius, did the dealer properly set the stops on the front axle? These tractors typically turn quite well. If not, have them check it out.

 

[Delmarva Ag]

I'm curious how you like your 4707? My local MF dealer says the 4707 has a DPF unlike the larger 4708, 4709, and 4710 models. However I looked one over today from top to bottom and can not find a DPF and the manual doesn't mention any regeneration procedures. If it doesn't have a DPF or DEF, how is the 4707 meeting the TIER IV emissions requirement? I look forward to your reply.

Thanks,

Alan

 

[Bigpuddie]

I'm curious how you like your 4707? My local MF dealer says the 4707 has a DPF unlike the larger 4708, 4709, and 4710 models. However I looked one over today from top to bottom and can not find a DPF and the manual doesn't mention any regeneration procedures. If it doesn't have a DPF or DEF, how is the 4707 meeting the TIER IV emissions requirement? I look forward to your reply.

Thanks,

Alan

I have a new 4707. It does not have a DPF. It has only a DOC which is like a catalytic converter...no regen. Excellent tractor! Super happy with it. The only difference between it and the larger 4708-4710 is DEF fluid.

 

[Bigpuddie]

Sorry for the late reply, it didn't seem like this post was getting any action, so I stopped paying attention. We've had the 4707 for almost a year now and am pretty pleased with it. As far as cheaply made parts, I believe the parts are significantly heavier duty than our comparable Kubota M6040. The shuttle is fantastic has worked well, though I can only compare with Kubota manual shuttles, which are always sticky and a source of agravation for me.

We work some steep land and have been watching the side hill angles. In the manual it notes to not exceed 20 degree side hills but I've pushed 40 degrees. There are two issues with this. 1) The tractor sits up high on account of the large tires and it feels unstable in comparison to the Kubota. I'm not sure if this is real instability or just due to the elevated position. In any case, I feel more comfortable in the Kubota (open station) on side hills than the Massey. 2) Fuel deliver, I believe, has been a problem when the tank is under 1/4 full and you're in the 20-30 degree range. I've had it cut off and think it just isn't pulling in fuel. Now that I know this, I've been able to prevent it. This has never been a problem with the Kubota.

I have the self-leveling loader. It is fantastic. Super sensitive and smooth. I can also pickup significantly more weight with it than the Kubota. Also, the heavier tractor helps. It's really a well made loader, much smoother to operate than the Kubota.

Here are a few other things that are important that you didnt ask but I will tell you anyway:

- We blew out the front right CV joint on the axle which Massey covered without any hesitation, agreeing it was a factory defect. Looking the axles over, they look very solid in comparison to the other tractors we looked at. I am assuming this is a one-off situation though it may indicate poor construction.

- The serpentine belt came of and was damaged, the dealer also replaced this under warranty.

- Over the year, it has thrown a lot of errors but none of consequence. For instance, holding in the clutch too long will show as an error. Also, we had a water in the fuel error which was resolved after we drained the oil/water seperator.

- This is a bigger tractor than the Kubota which is a plus and a minus. For any heavy duty tasks it is a champ. For tight turning and nimblness, the Kubota wins hands down.

- The range of the 3 point hitch blows the Kubota out of the water and is generally a lot more stout and easier to hook up to implements.

- This is a clean burning engine, you'll be surprised how much you appreciate this after you switch back to an older tractor.

- Power (this is a big one) - The engine has no low-end power, you need to square with this. Once it's in the 1200 rpm range everything is fine. To compensate for this, the tractor has an auto function where it maintains a certain RPM and it works very well. I set this to about 1200 and leave it there when I a working which effectively sets the minimum rpm it will run at. Then I can use the hand or foot throttle to set working speed. In this way I don't have to worry about getting down into the no power zone. Above 1200 rpm, it has plenty of power.

Any other questions?

edit: Another thing came to mind, the turning radius on the Massey is abysmal.

Hello. I have a new 4707 and love it. The turning radius is very good, but you have to set the stop bolts. A question for you...since you now have some hours on yours, is the power getting better since its broke in?

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

So does the 4707 have DEF or not?

 

[Bigpuddie]

So does the 4707 have DEF or not?

It does not. No DPF either...only a DOC which is like a catalytic converter. No Regen. The 4708, 4709, and 4710 do have DEF

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

It does not. No DPF either...only a DOC which is like a catalytic converter. No Regen. The 4708, 4709, and 4710 do have DEF

Man, that's interesting.

 

[Bigpuddie]

Man, that's interesting.

It was a big factor in my purchase decision

 

[Tsauga]

I looked at a 4707 last week it seems very heavy and has large HD castings etc.

However lots of locals say Kubota if under 100 HP Deere if over.

I like you see pros and cons with size. MF financing is not as good as Kubota but cash price is better.

Would you buy again?

I would buy again. the 4707 is in another class than the equivalent Kubota, IMHO. I was driving both the 6040 and the 4707 yesterday and it still amazes me that they cost anywhere near the same (the Massey was cheaper than the Kubota! with the same options). As stated in an earlier comment, if you need a lighter more maneuverable tractor the Kubota is a better choice. If that's not a constraint, I'd go with the Massey. I also agree that dealers matter. Our local Massey dealer is significantly more competent than the Kubota dealer, which also weighs heavily into the decision to buy again.