My (hopefully) Modern Shop Build

[ultrarunner]

The Real Estate Bust was very real here in Oakland CA... there was not a block without at least one foreclosure... I know a lot of people the simply opted to walk away... rationalizing why own when you can rent for 1/3 to 1/2 the cost?

I doubt we will see 50 to 80% price drops like East Oakland but it did get real ugly...

The opposite is true right now in that the building trades are booming like never before... at least in modern times.

There are many fully vetted projects that spent years going through the process of hearings, design review, mitigation, outreach, etc... sometimes 8 to 10 years and now nothing is happening.

A very good friend spent 8 years on a redevelopment project... the plans are ready to issue and he has the entire project up for sale... and he is not alone...

The reason is two fold... the costs have skyrocketed... some things doubled but everything has increased in terms of time and money and the second reason is he is just not that confident where we will be in the 18 to 24 months completion time...

As always... those not over extended tend to do fine waiting it out... might even score when some in the trades take jobs just to keep the crews together.

Not trying to be doom and gloom only things tend to run in cycles... and this has been about 10 years now...

Many I know are feeling good right now looking at their portfolios/retirement 401k balances... seen that before and then the market drops and trillions of "Wealth" disappear...

 

[woodlandfarms]

Well, bumping this up to the top.... I ordered the shop today. $29000 for frame only, includes shipping and foundation plans. I am getting my siding from Bridger Steel as they had patterns and colors I could live with on metal I could afford. Man, there is some AMAZING prints for steel buildings, as well as cool bends, but the price is staggering. $10 a square foot???? Might as well bought a gold bar and used it to paint the building. Oh, the one bit of good news is I got 4 more feet out of the building do to some engineering issues and where I wanted a door.

So here are a few PDF's to enjoy...

 

[woodlandfarms]

So the siding... I have ameeting with the metal people next week to review, but this is my thoughts....

The upper body is going to be this in probably Weathered Copper.

3/4" Corrugated Metal Panels - Roofing & Siding Panels for Residential & Commercial Uses

THe Wainscot is going to be horizontal of this, but 6 feet high (Two courses). Color will probably be Metallic Silver. Altough there is some talk of Champaigne Silver.

Box Rib - 7.2 Structural Box Rib - Bridger Steel

The trim, except for the outside trim, will match the body color, the outside trim will be the wainscot color.

And in a dash of excitement we will make the eave a custom color. A very bold yellow orange. The front doors might get this treatment as well.

As for the roof, as no one will ever see it it will be PBR or something in an off white / grey.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm looking forward to the build... great feeling to be moving ahead on a project long in the works...

Any thoughts to insulation?

I've noticed my corrugated building in Thurston County is often humid...

 

[woodlandfarms]

As noted, I am fortunate that my next door neighbor is a steel erector and knows all the good people in the business. I think we are R-19 throughout the entire building with more insulation on the right side where the wood shop and office are. My plan is to get a wood burning stove for the shop space, and one of those multi point AC / Heat machines for the offices.

 

[ultrarunner]

Mine came with the double 55 gallon drum wood heater in the shop... it really worked well but in time the drums rusted... I wanted to replace the drums and was told they are not legal in Washington... the old one is still there but never did anymore...

If I ever come across stainless 55 gallon drums I will make the upgrade.

 

[woodlandfarms]

I need to show you the stove my neighbor has. It is from scrap steel pipe (big stuff) which can be found in our area. Just 24" big round tube, back end welded up, and a heat exchanger on top. It is super nice. I wil ltry and get photos next time I am at his shop.

 

[GSVette]

As noted, I am fortunate that my next door neighbor is a steel erector and knows all the good people in the business. I think we are R-19 throughout the entire building with more insulation on the right side where the wood shop and office are. My plan is to get a wood burning stove for the shop space, and one of those multi point AC / Heat machines for the offices.

I just finished wall insulation in my 40x60x14 pole building-R21 faced batts in walls with OSB sheathing. Ceiling will be next spring- foil faced poly isocyanate panels attached to purlins.

Heating with a propane torpedo at the moment- no problem heating shop to 65F with outside temp in low 40’s. Next year will install a Mr, Cool ductless mini split and some ceiling fans. Hopefully the 48k BTU unit will do the job.

 

[woodlandfarms]

I am super intrigued if a mini split can manage my building without killing my checking account in terms of operational costs. Thoughts?

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm clueless when it comes to insulating a pole building on Puget Sound...

Heard foil or no foil, foil to inside or against the tin... or craft faced or spray foam...

The last thing I want is to create problems... either moisture or a home for rodents...

My pole barn is smack in the middle of a wooded area... lots of critters around and very tall trees.

The previous owner started building a small loft and placed some bats but they tend to fall and noticed they are moist.