Tractor Sizing Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway

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Consider a Three Point Hitch mounted Pat's Easy Mover. I like the Easy Mover because of its dumping feature. TRANSPORT BOXES are huge in Europe, where fewer tractors are sold with FELs. With your FEL bucket and a Pat's Easy Mover on the 3-Pt you can move considerable wood volume every trip and dump both ends exactly where you wish. No issue with a trailer pushing an ATV, then jackknifing.

Get a tractor BEFORE you get an ATV. If you must have an ATV consider the transmission carefully. With your hills and desire to haul heavy green wood, a Hydrostatic (HST) transmission is the sole choice which will be reliable. Additionally, HST provides automatic engine braking going downhill.

I always seek the simple solution. You do not need TWO engines requiring TWO distinct fuels, which you will be hauling and filling from five gallon containers. The tractor can do it all.

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I agree, and feel there is no advantage in using a trailer for short distance moving of fire wood. It might be different if you were hauling fire wood from neighboring towns. With the tractor and carry all you can easily back up to the wood stack at the house and unload.

A Subaru is not the vehicle to pull a loaded trailer up that driveway. It is a good passenger vehicle for winter use though, no point in tearing it up hauling gravel or firewood. The Tacoma is a nice truck too but it will not pull 6500 lbs. up that driveway either, maybe 2000 lbs is more likely. Hire a dump truck to drop the gravel as close as possible and use the tractor to move and place the material on the drive.
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway
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I agree, and feel there is no advantage in using a trailer for short distance moving of fire wood. It might be different if you were hauling fire wood from neighboring towns. With the tractor and carry all you can easily back up to the wood stack at the house and unload.

A Subaru is not the vehicle to pull a loaded trailer up that driveway. It is a good passenger vehicle for winter use though, no point in tearing it up hauling gravel or firewood. The Tacoma is a nice truck too but it will not pull 6500 lbs. up that driveway either, maybe 2000 lbs is more likely. Hire a dump truck to drop the gravel as close as possible and use the tractor to move and place the material on the drive.

OK, will do. Thank you both for setting me straight!
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #23  
Go rent something for the weekend you think will work from reading these threads then you'll have a baseline for comparison.
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #24  
Go rent something for the weekend you think will work from reading these threads then you'll have a baseline for comparison.

Most Home Depots have a Kubota BX25 for rent.
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #25  
Unless building directly on the stump, I grind it or leave to rot. Digging out stumps is hard and leaves a mess to clean up
 
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/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway
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Acquire a tractor before you acquire an ATV.

1) It is foreseeable you may need a tractor to assist your Subaru or Tacoma up the driveway when you experience a once in a decade heavy rain and partial washout.

2) One common tractor 3-Pt. "implement" is a PTO powered electric generator. You do not need TWO engines, one diesel, one gas.

LINKS (2): PTO powered electric generator site:tractorbynet.com - Google Search

Google: PTO Generator prices

Wow. Well I am sold. Seems PTO gens do fairly on fuel too. I am looking at a low hours L3800 4wd hst filled rears with a fel. This would fit the bill? Maybe need to have spacers added...
 
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/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #28  
Sure. Much better than L2501, less than L3560/L3540.

I am uncertain if spacers can be used on a tractor as heavy as an L3800. Spacers add considerable stress to the rear axle. You would likely need five+ inches per side to make a significant difference. I see the rear tires are filled on the tractor you are inspecting, which is good, but imparts some additional load on the rear axle. An L3800 will be drawing heavy implements......so I am uncertain about adding spacers. (I am speculating. I only have first hand experience adding wheel spacers to a BX.)

More speculation: It is possible bulbous, Michelin radial tractor tires may help with stability.

(You should not fill front tires. It overworks both steering pivots and power steering.)

Spacers work fine on a light BX tractor. Three inches on each side of a little BX is considerable wheel spread. Bro-Tek, in Canada, is the go-to source for the BX.

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Wow. Well I am sold. Seems PTO gens do fairly on fuel too. I am looking at a low hours L3800 4wd hst filled rears with a fel. This would fit the bill? Maybe need to have spacers added...

Sounds like a good choice for a tractor.
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #30  
Jeff,
I can't see a problem adding spacers to an L3800 if the spacers are well made.
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #31  
JENKINSPH is much more of a tractor authority than I.
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #32  
You seem to be in the same position I was when I moved to TN (just north of you in the Cherokee Nat'l Forest) three years ago...1/2 mile gravel drive with 2/3's being an 18% grade. Bought a new 4wd F-150 first, then a Honda Foreman ATV and small cart for hauling wood, woodchips, and debris, but also great for getting the mail, riding trails, and visiting neighbors, then my tractor for the same reasons as you. Any less than 35 HP and you will not be able to pull a full 5' boxblade uphill, mine struggled the first few times through until I removed most bigger rocks buried just under the gravel. I am at 2400 feet elevation and snow is only a problem a few days a year, I don't think a plow is even necessary, if it snows so much that you can't get down, then the roads are probably too dangerous to travel on anyway, ask a neighbor what they have experienced in the past. I set up a firewood processing area where I can drag trees to, cut into logs, use a standalone splitter, and stack on pallets. I used to load the cart and use the ATV to bring logs up to the cabin, but it took several trips every few days, and required too much handling. Now I bring up a loaded pallet with the tractor (forks)...no more lifting...SSQA makes easy work of switching from bucket to forks. Reedy Creek Equipment is very close to you and I highly recommend them, and Kioti.
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #33  
An l3800 HST with a FEL will be a very nice machine. Not as nice as a grand L, but if you've never used a grand L, then you won't know what you're missing :).

You can definitely add wheel spacers to that size tractor (they actually use spacers on huge ag tractors for some applications). Does this tractor you're looking at have R4 (industrial) tires or R1 (ag) tires? Even on the basic Kubotas, at least from that generation, the ag tire/rim setup allows you to move the rears out to a pretty wide configuration. I think there's about 4 different positions possible. The owner's manual will detail these positions.

One good thing about a tractor like you're describing: unless you destroy it, or plumb wear it out (you'd really have to try hard to do this), it won't lose hardly any value.
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #34  
I agree with Poopdeck. I sometimes wish I had a Ventrac on my property with its 100" drop down to the creek in the back.

Think smallest diesel you can get in it is 30 hp.

Ralph
 
/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #35  
I really don't see how adding fluid to your rear tires causes added stress to your axles under normal operating conditions, many of us have fluid in addition to wheel weights. My dealer added both to my tractor and it really helps traction and stability. You might want to check with your dealer on how wide you can go worth spacers, I read some manufacturers who once recommended and offered them no longer do so, but I don't think it was Kubota, "seems" like some JD CUTs, worth checking.
 
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Before considering wheel spacers, the rear tractor wheels should be spaced as wide as the factory design allows. The wheels will still be fully supported by the tractor axle through the wheel hubs.

Spacers are spacers; the tractor axle does not go through spacers. Axle does not support the spacers, spacers do not support the axle. Big stress on the spacers.

Below is a LINK to Bro-Tek in Canada.

Bro-Tek offers spacers for the L3800 but only 2" per side. You should not expect much additional stability from 4" wider total wheel spread on an L3800. Two inches per side is less than the difference between R1/ag tires and wider R4/industrial tires.

I speculate Bro-Teks's 2" limit has to do with stress on the unsupported spacers beyond Bro-Tek's control; re: filled tires and wheel weights.

LINK: Bro-Tek

LINK TO T-B-N THREADS ON BRO-TEK SPACERS: bro tek wheel spacers - Google Search
 
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It's been a couple years and we just moved here permanently so here is an update and some questions.

First things first. I measured our driveway and the slope grade goes from 25% to 40%. The 40% grade is the last 50 feet or so at the very top. The rest of the grade is between 25 and 35% (no less than 25% at any point). The private road including the driveway is about 9/10 of a mile long. Our driveway (the steep part) is less than 1/10 of a mile. The rest of the private road is much less steep with a maximum grade of around 20% but mostly less than that. The driveway is steep enough that unless you have 4WD you cannot drive up it even when it is dry.

We ended up getting a Honda 4x4 ATV in 2016 and last year I put an 18 inch x 5 foot plow on it. We felt that was the better purchase prior to moving here as it can get us in and out and we use it to go to neighbors houses and other stuff. I use it to move my firewood around as well.

As far as plowing goes we had 2 feet a couple months ago over 24 hours. I had to put chains on all 4 ATV tires and I did plow twice. Once when a foot was down, then again when the next foot dropped. Took around 5 hours total. Having lived here through most of a winter and some of last winter we've learned that unless we get more than 6 inches of snow not to bother with plowing most of the private road. We just plow our driveway. Since it's gravel I never scrape all the way down so there is some ice/snow left over. We can get up and down just fine with the ATV or with our truck with chains. So what we do most of the time is park the truck or SUV at the bottom of the steep part and take the ATV up and down or if it is really cold put chains on the truck and take that up and down. I got the peerless auto-tightening chains for the truck so it only takes a few minutes to get them on.

With the snow, there have been a couple times where even with chains on my ATV I got a little too close to an edge of a hill and had to be very careful getting back to flat ground. I don't think I would want to use a tractor in the snow on my property. The rest of the private road is less steep.

Now we are seriously considering a tractor purchase but I'm concerned about the grade of my drive. I'm still considering a L3800 4wd hst filled rears with a fel and also a backhoe. There is a lot of maintenance that is necessary on our private road and I'll be solely responsible for it soon. I'll need to be able to:

* mow the grass on the road
* add and spread gravel for the road
* do other road maintenance... cut the hedges and such on the sides, take care of fallen trees, clean out drainage areas, etc.

The good news is we have an area at the bottom of our property that is before the steep driveway. It is a large enough area that I could put a carport and park my tractor there. But I'd like to be able to maintain my driveway as well. Right now what I think I'd do is load gravel from the FEL into my truck bed and then just take the truck up some gravel at a time to drop it. Question is, do you think with widened/extended tires and filled wheels I would be wise to try taking the tractor up my driveway? The grade is just up and down, it is pretty flat otherwise. If not, I can use my ATV and plow to spread the gravel.

Thanks!
 
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Bro Tek spacers for L3200 (same chassis as L3800). Surprisingly easy install.
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Rear R4 with spacers installed. We did it for tire chain clearance.
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Thread.

My similar starting thread.

Our driveway is only 750 and we usually have it plowed, but we Average 10 of snow per season and got 14 last year. We use the FEL bucket with Edge Tamers. We grooved the R4 for better snow traction, and recently got logging chains.
 

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/ Tractor Recommendation - 10 acres, mountains, VERY steep driveway #39  
we used to do our own firewood, but it has gotten so cheap it makes much more sense to just have someone come dump the oak and hickory split in our driveway. It is $100 a full cord, seasoned and cut to whatever length we want. Then all we have to do is stack it in the barn
 
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Yes a tractor with 4 wheel drive will climb a steep hill.
 

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