Glock 43

[donaldj]

The Glock 43 is quite concealable and is a great shooting gun. Compared to the Glock 19, it can be a bit more abrupt in recoil, but that's to be expected in the reduced mass (inertia) in the smaller handgun.

There is little effective difference in defense-intent 9x19 mm vs .40 S&W. Anyone quibbling about it is really talking about a 1-2% effectiveness difference.

 

[Sigarms]

The Glock 43 is quite concealable and is a great shooting gun. Compared to the Glock 19, it can be a bit more abrupt in recoil, but that's to be expected in the reduced mass (inertia) in the smaller handgun.

No gun is perfect. You're right in your observation IMO. Give up size and weight in the gun with the same cailber, you get "more" recoil.

 

[HCJtractor]

I have a Glock .40 cal. But I was carrying a little Kahr .380 that conceals so easily. But it isn’t a great shooter. The trigger is really not very good. But it’s better than no weapon. But my new Sig 365, although a little bigger than my Kahr, shoots way better, so I believe that it will be my carry weapon. It’s a good compromise of size vs. power. Of course, I still love my Kimber and Les Baer .45’s but they can’t be tucked in and hidden very easily.

Now if I was an officer, wearing a heavy belt, the .40 or .45 would be better. But for a civilian in light clothes, I think my Sig will be perfect.

 

[Sigarms]

There is little effective difference in defense-intent 9x19 mm vs .40 S&W. Anyone quibbling about it is really talking about a 1-2% effectiveness difference.

And yet the FBI was able to convince the US that the 9mm was an inadequate round when they (FBI) decided to go the Smith .40

I kind of still laugh when all the gun rags came out with the .450 Marlin and how that round was going to replace the .45-70

The difference was Hornady didn't have the government behind it when the .450 Marlin came out to replace the .45-70

Apparently now Hornady does have the FBI's blessings on their newer 9mm round for the FBI, so they should be in with the general public!

 

[radios1]

My point is supersonic is a variable related directly to velocity, that's it. A standard .22LR shot from a 16" barrel is supersonic. A 230 grain .45 ACP is subsonic shot from the same length of barrel is subsonic. Does that mean a .22LR is more deadly than a .45 ACP because the .22LR is supersonic?

Heck, a .22LR shot from a 6" barrel is subsonic. So perhaps it's not the caliber but barrel length that makes the round more deadly? (I'm being facetious to make a point).

For the record, I'm the kind of guy that would argue that a .380 or .22LR is more deadly if you're more comfortable and can shoot it better than .45ACP, and I own all those calibers calibers.

Also for the record, I've stuck with BOTH the 9mm and .45, even when the .40 was the FBI "in" round LOL

the .357 is supersonic, is a large enough caliber, and the bullets expand greatly within the body, the combo of all 3 of those things make it extremely effective. a comparison is here. Top 1 Self-Defense Handgun Loads | Outdoor Life. it was said at one time, that the .357 magnum was truly devastating due to the supersonic velocity.. it had a VERY high stopping ratio. now, you look at the police officer that had to shoot the suspect 20 times with a 9mm, and it makes you rethink whether it's actually safe to depend on.. you need to stop an aggressor with 1 to 2 bullets to be safe!..

 

[donaldj]

And yet the FBI was able to convince the US that the 9mm was an inadequate round when they (FBI) decided to go the Smith .40

And yet the FBI has switched back to 9 mm due to advances in bullet designs and improved ballistic performance.

It seems a bit disingenuous to cite the FBI switching to .40 S&W as 'evidence' of its superiority while under-stressing they've switched back to 9x19 mm (starting in 2015). It also seems to be a bit disingenuous to not mention that their 'tests' first determined the 10x25mm (10 mm Automatic) was the superior cartridge but their tests failed to take into account recoil manageability by their agents and the cartridge had to be throttled back to the .40 S&W.

Gun magazines are hype-repeaters. Industry developments create inquiry which sells articles which sells magazines.

 

[Sigarms]

the .357 is supersonic, is a large enough caliber, and the bullets expand greatly within the body, the combo of all 3 of those things make it extremely effective. a comparison is here. Top 1 Self-Defense Handgun Loads | Outdoor Life. it was said at one time, that the .357 magnum was truly devastating due to the supersonic velocity.. it had a VERY high stopping ratio. now, you look at the police officer that had to shoot the suspect 20 times with a 9mm, and it makes you rethink whether it's actually safe to depend on.. you need to stop an aggressor with 1 to 2 bullets to be safe!..

Sincere question... do you own a .357 and do you shoot it often? I own one, but shoot it for fun and don't carry it.

You talk about a police office having to shoot a suspect 20 times with a 9mm (nah, accuracy has nothing to do with shooting a gun does it) but may I ask you, what police department uses a .357 magnum as standard issue?

Outdoor life? really?

 

[donaldj]

the .357 is supersonic,

It would probably be wise to discard 'supersonic' as any type of measurable and simply state projectile velocities. The speed of sound is not a measurable of any type, and as such, whether a cartridge produces a super/sub sonic projectile is irrelevant.

 

[Sigarms]

And yet the FBI has switched back to 9 mm due to advances in bullet designs and improved ballistic performance.

It seems a bit disingenuous to cite the FBI switching to .40 S&W as 'evidence' of its superiority while under-stressing they've switched back to 9x19 mm (starting in 2015). It also seems to be a bit disingenuous to not mention that their 'tests' first determined the 10x25mm (10 mm Automatic) was the superior cartridge but their tests failed to take into account recoil manageability by their agents and the cartridge had to be throttled back to the .40 S&W.

Gun magazines are hype-repeaters. Industry developments create inquiry which sells articles which sells magazines.

You sound a lot smarter than me, and in complete honesty, due to my stupidity, I really have no clue what you mean per you're second paragraph.

However, from what I gather, I agree with you 100% per your last paragraph, so perhaps I'm not that stupid if you're so smart and I agree with you

Re read last sentence of second paragraph - agreed, they couldn't handle the recoil (perhaps women, who knows), so they ditched the superior 10mm to the smaller .40

In a nutshell, bigger and faster is always badder, the question is if you can shoot it when you need it to count.

 

[TripleR]

Well dang it, I read this and just bought one that my sons had in stock. I'm recovering from some health issues and been having trouble racking the slide on my 27 and 23. For anyone with these issues Glock has some nice accessories to help.

My old department just changed their policy of only .40 to allow 9mm and quite a few are going with the 9mm. I quit arguing ballistics long ago before .40 came out.