Buying Advice About to make my first tractor purchase

   / About to make my first tractor purchase #11  
Thanks Professor Marvel,



OK, that would be XR4150H...dropping 5 HP and reducing cost by $1k. You believe the Cat 2 would be a detriment?



I wish I could now answer all those questions. Several years ago and neither I nor my wife knew much about tractors (don't know much more now but hoping to learn).

not really a detriment but i see a lot more equipment available in cat 1. And in my opinion the 55 does not require cat 2 duty range. My old ford 5000 definitely needs cat 2 on some implements cause I could cause damage to them if i push them. But I use cat 1 with adapters on stuff like PHD and even bush hog.
I have tore up my 8' land pride HD rear blade and it is cat 2. I have welded big hunks of angle iron lengthwise across it and it hasnt bent since.

like i say though this is just my opinion but I keep up pretty much road in my woods for almost 30 years and am not completely without experience. Whatever you get you will run i into a situation where a different choice tractor would work a little better in a particular application.
I would keep at a cat 1
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase #12  
Is this going to be a cab or ROPS tractor?

The new Kioti DK10SE tractors are really nice. I would definitely cross shop them, and they come standard with a set of rear remotes. They also have a lever above the three point hitch to move it up/down, something I wish all manufacturers would do.
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase #13  
Is this going to be a cab or ROPS tractor?

The new Kioti DK10SE tractors are really nice. I would definitely cross shop them, and they come standard with a set of rear remotes. They also have a lever above the three point hitch to move it up/down, something I wish all manufacturers would do.

The tractor they are looking at comes standard with 3 (not just one) rear remote. It wasn't mentioned but it also comes with the lever to operate the 3pt from the 3 pt area.

Discmen, Jeff has provided some very good info for the OP and the XR4150H would easily perform all the work you have mentioned.
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase #14  
Having had a horse farm, my advice is to go for cat 2. You WILL NOT find farm implements with cat 1 only garden's, most of the equipment for farm work will be either 2 (most) or 3 category.
There is a higher amount of cat 1 because there are more people who use them for gardening and to keep estates, but for farming my experience has been go with Cat 2
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase
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Thank you guys for all the information. This is why we use the forums, for your extensive knowledge. I'll call the dealer tomorrow and get a new quote on the XR4150H.

Thanks,

- Mark
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase
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Having had a horse farm, my advice is to go for cat 2. You WILL NOT find farm implements with cat 1 only garden's, most of the equipment for farm work will be either 2 (most) or 3 category.
There is a higher amount of cat 1 because there are more people who use them for gardening and to keep estates, but for farming my experience has been go with Cat 2

At first we thought about farming a portion of the land and were even looking for larger tractors than this. However, I've read (I believe from Jeff) that farming alfalfa would only be cost effective at 80 acres or above. Thus we've really narrowed down the tractor to maintaining the horse ranch and if we ever decide to do row farming in the future, to get an older tractor with higher horsepower.
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase #17  
Thank you guys for all the information. This is why we use the forums, for your extensive knowledge. I'll call the dealer tomorrow and get a new quote on the XR4150H.

Thanks,

- Mark
i would have the tires loaded too while you are ordering for stability and traction. I would think you could get the dealer to include that.
Enjoy your new machine
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase #18  
Thank you guys for all the information. This is why we use the forums, for your extensive knowledge. I'll call the dealer tomorrow and get a new quote on the XR4150H.

Thanks,

- Mark
I would ask what is the replacement cost for a starter, and a set of the 6 filters for the tractor!. if they want $1500 for a starter, and $300 for a set of filters, you may want to change brands!. but check for yourself!..
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase #19  
At first we thought about farming a portion of the land and were even looking for larger tractors than this. However, I've read (I believe from Jeff) that farming alfalfa would only be cost effective at 80 acres or above. Thus we've really narrowed down the tractor to maintaining the horse ranch and if we ever decide to do row farming in the future, to get an older tractor with higher horsepower.

Eh, that number is both true and false. It's true you would not turn a profit if that was your intention. However, if you get a tractor with enough HP and weight to run a small square baler you can have the option of buying used equipment as it becomes economical to do so. Haying your own ground has its advantages over buying in hay or having it done by a custom operator.

Buying in hay is expensive. Some places charge 12+ dollars for first cut high quality small squares(at least here in PA, I have no idea what California charges for hay). A horse will consume about 100-120 of them per year, depending on bale density, horse size, exercise level, pasture time, etc. So buying small squares for a single horse can cost over 1400 dollars a year.

Custom baling has its own pitfalls, cost and timing. What are you paying the custom operator in? Cash? Most people do a 50/50 split of bales. Which if you can maintain your herd with the 50% of bales remaining, you could sell the other 50% yourself to offset costs of baling. The other problem with custom baling is timing. If the custom operator gets a contract to do your 20 acres and someone else's 200, guess who's going to get priority when the sun is shining and the hay is ready?

While not profitable per say, sometimes doing your own work is the best choice to get the job done right, even at an increased cost.

As far as CAT 1 vs CAT 2, I don't see having a CAT 2 tractor as some major handicap. The weight of the XR4150H is identical to that of the XR4155H. They're the same tractor with different 3pt arms. It's literally a 3$ cost to turn a CAT 1 implement into a CAT 2, and those five HP are not going to cause the CAT 1 implements to crumple like tinfoil. Having CAT 2 as an option might come in handy at an estate sale or auction, where the bidding pool will be limited due to most people not being able to use the implement on the block.
 
   / About to make my first tractor purchase #20  
I have a XR5150 and handle about 10 horses. about 200 acres, mostly wooded. I feed round bales and purchase all of my hay. Tractor is used to stack and store hay, mow pasture, etc. I have loved mine to this point. I also have a tiller and it handles it without a problem. Cat 2 implements will cost you a little more but are better made on the most part. Cat 1 are a lot easier to find on the used market. I have all of my tires filled. In the paddocks, when it is wet, I need it and 4WD engaged.
I think you will be happy with the 50 or 55. Part of the reason I picked to XR4150 was the frame size and weight for what I wanted to do.
 

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