Your thoughts on this framing job

[Steppenwolfe]

It may have turned into a burn pile, but that's the best "ranchhand" framing job I've ever seen.:laughing: They prolly build real nice fence & gate's though. I guessed that it was a framing crew that was following "approved" drawings.
I'd be surprised if they are insisting on all that glass, that an architect would not build it with steel, next time.

We do a lot of framing with 16 gauge metal studs and often wonder why it doesn't transfer to residential construction. Why is that ???

 

[s219]

We do a lot of framing with 16 gauge metal studs and often wonder why it doesn't transfer to residential construction. Why is that ???

When I was a kid growing up in CT in the 1970s and 80s, our neighbors were originally from Canada and the father was a drywall installer. Almost every interior wall in their house was framed up with steel studs. Never saw it anywhere else except commercial construction, which was my father's business, and we framed a lot of walls in steel. Boy did I shoot a lot of floor track down to concrete in that job, which could be a PITA depending on the quality and cure age of the concrete. I got my dad's old chop saw that must have cut thousands and thousands of bundles of steel studs. Saw still kicks butt all these years later.

 

[KennyG]

We do a lot of framing with 16 gauge metal studs and often wonder why it doesn't transfer to residential construction. Why is that ???

Did you see the prices? They cost almost 5 times as much as wood studs. Interior walls are done with 25 gauge studs and are required in a lot of commercial construction but they have no load carrying capability. In multi-unit buildings it is often required to use either metal studs or special fire proofed wood.

 

[turnkey4099]

In looking at it more, it seems they intended to sheath the small triangular studded sections of the wall, which would have helped a lot with the bracing, but I'm not sure it's enough. I don't know how they were going to address the lack of collar ties given that it's built on a slab. Those side walls WILL push out. I've seen that happen and it's not pretty.

I missed the fact that there are no diagonal braces in the side wall, I don't think code will allow plywood sheathing to take the place of diagonals.

 

[turnkey4099]

We do a lot of framing with 16 gauge metal studs and often wonder why it doesn't transfer to residential construction. Why is that ???

It is beginning to and I am seeing advertising advocating it.

 

[KennyG]

I missed the fact that there are no diagonal braces in the side wall, I don't think code will allow plywood sheathing to take the place of diagonals.

Sure it does. If you sheath with plywood or OSB, there is no need for diagonal braces. Common practice today is to fully sheath walls since OSB is readily available and cheap. However, I'm old enough to remember when the old style insulation boards (what were they called?) were used for sheathing. You could either add cross bracing or you could use a sheet of plywood at each corner.

 

[JK22]

The vertical walls were built with a hinge in the middle, of course it failed. Continuous framing members are required from the floor to the roof. They built in a sill plate in the middle. Are building permits required where this was built?

Good eye. That’s absurd

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Did you see the prices? They cost almost 5 times as much as wood studs. Interior walls are done with 25 gauge studs and are required in a lot of commercial construction but they have no load carrying capability. In multi-unit buildings it is often required to use either metal studs or special fire proofed wood.

We never frame with wood, but do use a tremendous amount of fire rated wood for blocking, etc. I find metal to be much easier to work with, faster and true in shape. Not to mention, metal stud framing will never be eaten by creepy crawlies ...

 

[Rustyiron]

We do a lot of framing with 16 gauge metal studs and often wonder why it doesn't transfer to residential construction. Why is that ???

I think it the eventual transition to wood, mainly exterior sheathing that is the kicker that I've noticed. Not only the framers, but on the inside, drywall & the trim boy's (no trim nailers) all have to deal with it all the while moaning to the builder.

 

[Barnbuilder]

You get more thermal transfer with the steel which significantly lowers the R rating of insulation.