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   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,801  
More and more the Japanese are sourcing China to build their engines for them. The 3 cylinder engines in Kawasaki Mules are made by Chery in China. The single cylinder engine in my Mule Pro MX was made by Kymco in Taiwan. Who'd have thought mighty Kawasaki known for making great engines would be buying their engines from someone else?
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,803  
More and more the Japanese are sourcing China to build their engines for them. The 3 cylinder engines in Kawasaki Mules are made by Chery in China. The single cylinder engine in my Mule Pro MX was made by Kymco in Taiwan. Who'd have thought mighty Kawasaki known for making great engines would be buying their engines from someone else?

The 3-cylinder Cherry 'car' motors are also used by John Deere in their UTV. Besides Kawasaki, someone else, forgot who, uses them too.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,804  
What doesn't?? Heck my Harley has Japanese parts on it..

The BMW boxer motorcycle engine, known for its quality and longevity is being made in China. I don't know the details as to the source of the parts but a boxer powered BMW motorcycle will run for 500,000 miles if cared for. the Chinese version? TBD.

There is a fellow in Texas who has over 600,000 miles on his. The engine is original (Berlin), the rotating assembly is OE last I heard (about a year ago). My BMW was made in Berlin....pheeew. Its 20 years old and has required a starter rebuild only ($30.00). Runs like new.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,805  
The BMW boxer motorcycle engine, known for its quality and longevity is being made in China. I don't know the details as to the source of the parts but a boxer powered BMW motorcycle will run for 500,000 miles if cared for. the Chinese version? TBD.

There is a fellow in Texas who has over 600,000 miles on his. The engine is original (Berlin), the rotating assembly is OE last I heard (about a year ago). My BMW was made in Berlin....pheeew. Its 20 years old and has required a starter rebuild only ($30.00). Runs like new.

Yeah, the whole frond end, forks,tree,etc is all Japanese

How many miles on your Beemer? My '07 Road Glide has right at 90k, the only thing mine has needed is a couple clutches, but being an instructor I play a lot in the "friction zone" so that's to be expected.

And I'm guessing its good for at least another 100k.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,806  
Why would you buy several?

Can’t speak for troverman, but I have bought 3 Farmer Helper/ Value Leader flails over the years. Replaced a couple of bearings and belts, but have no complaints as to. Quality especially vs price.

Replaced flail number one after catching skid on a major root and twisting body - would have happened no matter brand. Totally my fault as I had mowed area many times but didn’t account for the erosion from recent rains.

Sold number 2 with the tractor it was on to a friend. When bought I had upsized length. Wife never happy as i had a tendency to gouge one end or the other on our rather uneven ground.

Currently, number 3 is downsized to length of number one, but as hydraulic side shift. Cuts very nicely.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,807  
My BMW has half the miles of your H-D so I better get ridin'. The clutch in older boxers is a dry, single plate clutch similar to that found in older VWs. In fact, the VW clutch disc (made by Sachs) will fit in some boxer BMW models, about $40.00. But, you have to remove the transmission to replace it a major repair. New boxers use a wet clutch. Also, the boxer is no longer air cooled...pity.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,808  
My BMW has half the miles of your H-D so I better get ridin'. The clutch in older boxers is a dry, single plate clutch similar to that found in older VWs. In fact, the VW clutch disc (made by Sachs) will fit in some boxer BMW models, about $40.00. But, you have to remove the transmission to replace it a major repair. New boxers use a wet clutch. Also, the boxer is no longer air cooled...pity.

Yeah, some of the new Harleys are water cooled now too, I believe it has to do with emissions.. And yeah, Get riding!
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,809  
More and more the Japanese are sourcing China to build their engines for them. The 3 cylinder engines in Kawasaki Mules are made by Chery in China. The single cylinder engine in my Mule Pro MX was made by Kymco in Taiwan. Who'd have thought mighty Kawasaki known for making great engines would be buying their engines from someone else?

This is a shame, but basically even these "engine" companies are seeing reduced labor costs, reduced materials cost, and lower manufacturing costs to have production in China. More specifically, the Chinese labor force works for less money, raw materials like steel and iron cost less (and are often impure and less quality), and actual manufacturing costs are lower because China basically doesn't enforce environmental standards. For example, a plant in the US may be required by the EPA to install a $2m stack scrubber or be shut down. In China, that is not needed. This goes off the topic, but one can begin to understand why the Paris Climate pact is a bad deal for any country trying to compete with China on a manufacturing front. China "signs" the deal, but does not enforce it. If the US signs the deal, the EPA will enforce it. The cost to manufacture becomes too high and are economy can't compete. So it's very unfair, in short.

Why would you buy several?

I've bought several because of price and price alone. I'm not rich, and something like a 6-foot Alamo is $8k. The Chinese Titan is $1600. So if I'm lucky, I can get maybe one season out of the Titan and just buy another. I've found the housings are thin and not reinforced enough, so they twist. The uprights are weak where the steel is folded. The roller is too small, and the bearing grease points are ridiculous. The next one I buy this year, I intend to perform reinforcements myself prior to use; I think I could get two years or more out of it that way. It cuts well enough. I have broken flails, but any brand would break so I don't fault it there.

Yeah, some of the new Harleys are water cooled now too, I believe it has to do with emissions.. And yeah, Get riding!
They are water cooled in the cylinder heads only, and only certain bikes. It could have helped emissions, but frankly I think it had to do with rider comfort and probably getting more power. This started on some of the full-dresser bikes with the 103 engine. My Road King Classic has 40k miles...guess I better get riding.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #5,810  
While historically the Chinese have had an atrocious environmental record, that is changing fast. They are turning things around way faster than the US on CO2 emissions. It's a lot easier to make the gains starting from a poor starting point, but they are getting things going. Lots or nasty power plants taken offline way early & i believe they are the now the global leader in deploying renewable energy sources. Still a long way to go though.

Lots of manufacturers are actually starting to ditch China for Vietnam & other places because China isnt as cheap as it use to be.
 
 

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