wallenstein logging winches

[Industrial Toys]

I hope that Dodge didn't have a Cummins.

I also hope the cable didn't burn its way through the tail light of the Chev.

TOTAL side note. Talking to a friend last night who had his septic pumped out. Truck had a Wallenstein sticker. Apparently they own Vacutruck. But I could find nothing to support this on the Interweb.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

I hope that Dodge didn't have a Cummins.

I also hope the cable didn't burn its way through the tail light of the Chev.

First of all, that Dodge DOES have a Cummins, and secondly, the wire rope was no where the tail light on the Silverado...

SR

 

[Industrial Toys]

It would have been if I had been doing it.

Hope the Cummins was just having a bad hair day.

 

[John_Mc]

I was at the Sawmill EXPO a couple weeks ago, a guy was selling them there and had a "show spl." of $270.00.

We talked quite a while and he offered me one for $250.00, but it's so seldom that I could use one, I just couldn't bring myself to buy one.

I have snatch blocks, they just aren't self release...

SR

That was a pretty good deal on the self-relaxing snatch block. Do you recall the brand?

I now own two of them. Once you have used one for a while, you wonder how you got away without one. (They are a lot like a logging winch that way,)

 

[Oldpath05]

That was a pretty good deal on the self-relaxing snatch block. Do you recall the brand?

I now own two of them. Once you have used one for a while, you wonder how you got away without one. (They are a lot like a logging winch that way,)

If $270.00 is a good deal, then I'll never buy one at a regular price. Out of 8-10 cord/year for the past 12 years I have yet to really need a self releasing snatch block and out of 8 cord/year, I at most need to pull 2 trees side ways and then at most 4', and that can easily be done with a oiled up cable slider and choker chain, so for part time logging I'm not seeing this $270.00 advantage, but I can see a $70.00 advantage, to me it's just another gadget to play with.................

 

[CobyRupert]

Hi,

I am new to the tractor world and just got my first one to work in my wood lot. I got the wallenstein skidding winch on my kubota MX5200. The skidding winch is with remote control. I got everything hooked up and when i went to test it, the winch didn t engage. I have power on the remote control box, PTO is turning fine...but nothing happens when i try to engage the winch, either from the remote or the toggle switch. The green rope for the clutch was not doing anything but is now locked.
Being new to all this, i could have missed something but i believed i followed the starting procedure properly. Can anybody guide me there and help me correct my mistake if i made any?

Thanks a lot everyone!

I have a Wallenstein winch, but am not familiar with the remote controlled model.

What do you mean the green rope wasn't doing anything?

You were able to pull some cable off the reel before you attempted to winch it / test it right?

Note: The brake being engaged wouldn't prevent you from engaging the drive as long as you have some cable slack.

If you were able to pull cable off of drum: I suspect that either the winch's clutch is so far out of adjustment it's not engaging, or something is wrong with what activates the winches clutch using the remote control. I have no idea what that remotely controlled mechanism is (and don't find a Wallenstein parts manual that shows it), but if you pull off the cover I suspect you can see what is suppose to move. Check that it's free and can be moved manually, or check if its linkages are hooked to the winch's clutch or if something is disconnected.
If you get no movement from this when you press remote or toggle switch, then that's the problem. Next step would be to find out why. (Bad device or bad wiring?)

Edit: Found this manual for A remote option: Operators Manuals, Parts Manuals, & Assembly Manuals | Wallenstein Outdoor Power Equipment

This shows the remote units requiring hydraulic power too. (Ok, - I wondered where all the "heavy lifting" energy comes from that replaces "pulling the cord" of non-remote models)

Does your winch have hydraulic hose connection to the tractor's SCV?
Did you move your tractor's SCV control lever one way or the other to get pressure at the winch (May have to bungee cord it at one position if you don't have a "detent valve"). Then you will have hydraulic pressure at the solenoid valve on the winch that is remotely operated. It's the hydraulics that does the "heavy lifting" to operate the winch clutch.

 

[weisserwoodcutting]

Hi,

Thanks CobyRupert, I will investigate and check all that for sure and will get back to you on what i found (if i do). Thanks a lot for the advices! I ll get on that!

 

[John_Mc]

That was a pretty good deal on the self-relaxing snatch block. Do you recall the brand?

I now own two of them. Once you have used one for a while, you wonder how you got away without one. (They are a lot like a logging winch that way,)

Oops - "Self-releasing", not self-relaxing. I'm guessing I dictated that one. For some reason, it won;t let me edit the post, even though it just went up yesterday.

 

[John_Mc]

If $270.00 is a good deal, then I'll never buy one at a regular price. Out of 8-10 cord/year for the past 12 years I have yet to really need a self releasing snatch block and out of 8 cord/year, I at most need to pull 2 trees side ways and then at most 4', and that can easily be done with a oiled up cable slider and choker chain, so for part time logging I'm not seeing this $270.00 advantage, but I can see a $70.00 advantage, to me it's just another gadget to play with.................

Well, for that matter, I can't justify a $3000 logging winch on my tractor.

My biggest use of a self-releasing snatch block isn't to "pull trees sideways" at most 4' (for example to get it round a stump. It's when I need to pull a tree around a dogleg on it's path out of the forest. The areas in which I work are dense enough that I can't always get a straight-line pull. With a self-releasing snatch block, I don't have to clear a straight path to every tree, and I don't have to be constantly walking back and forth to release a block or slider. I have 230' of cable on my winch. Often when thinning in an area, I'll set the tractor and the cable stretches out 50-100 feet to the area where I'm thinning. it then takes a turn at the block , going another 50-100 feet in a variety of directions to reach the trees I'm pulling out of that area. It also makes it easier to protect nice sawlogs or veneer-quality logs which I am not ready to harvest when I'm pulling out firewood. It saves me a lot of time, increasing productivity and minimizing impact on the residual stand.

I have been known to take a bend around an old stump, but that requires going back to flip the cable off the stump once I've pulled the log to it. I prefer not to use sliders to redirect, unless it's a very small angle, since taking a significant bend around a slider is hard on the cable.

I'm not saying a snatch block is for everyone. We all have our own trade-offs for time, efficiency, and cost, and our own preferred ways of working.

If you are handy with metal-working, this old article about snatchblock winching tips includes information about making your own self-releasing snatch block. I almost made one myself, but when I machinist on another forum started selling nice ones for $180, I bought one of those for my second block instead. (He since has stopped selling them.)

 

[weisserwoodcutting]

Hi

So indeed, the SCV control lever valve has to do with it. The winch started to work when i pushed the control lever (i don t have a detent valve on it) but kept winching in even when i released the lever. The only way to stop the winch was to stop the PTO. I guess i have to find out if I need a on going hydraulic pressure and therefore a detent valve and see then if i can start and stop the winch as it supposed to, from a distance with the little remote control or from the power box using the little switch. (back up in case of that little remote not working).

I couldn't find the answer on the part manual or user manual of the winch but i could have missed something.

I got the cable loose as well but since i did shut the winch via shutting down the PTO in remained locked afterwards instead of going back to its free spool position as i should when you stop winching.

This were I am at...

Thanks a lot for the help! Hopefully i ll get it figured out soon and start working!