Broke the new Deere

[Sawyer Rob]

i am not concerned about any lemons, gear box noises these days are common in my world, everyone gets a bad batch of something now and then, cars/motorcycles/computers/toasters, stiff levers/gears i can work through that with the dealer, the trannie thing...........not sure what this will turn into but maybe they will find something in this process and it will all get taken care of. I have faith and try not to get too spun up anymore, its hard on the blood pressure.

I have lived through the torment of a 6.0 powerstroke and after i got it bulletproofed, its been terrific. Many curse them but once you fix them, they will go forever.

I love that line!! lol lol

SR

 

[rScotty]

i am not concerned about any lemons, gear box noises these days are common in my world, everyone gets a bad batch of something now and then, cars/motorcycles/computers/toasters, stiff levers/gears i can work through that with the dealer, the trannie thing...........not sure what this will turn into but maybe they will find something in this process and it will all get taken care of. I have faith and try not to get too spun up anymore, its hard on the blood pressure.

I have lived through the torment of a 6.0 powerstroke and after i got it bulletproofed, its been terrific. Many curse them but once you fix them, they will go forever.

I agree with all that - except the part about gear box noises being common. There I definitely don't agree. That side of mechanical devices was worked out maybe half a century ago. From my perspective, noisy gearboxes today are the result of not being manufactured to modern designs & tolerances.

Regardless, I don't tend to get torqued up by mechanical problems myself. And I'm not suggesting that what is right for me is right for all.

So let me ask it this way..... Is there some point at which the dealer should step up to the plate and say lets start over with a different machine?
And do us old timers as cusomers and dealers have any obligation to use whatever influence we have to encourage the manufacturers maintain a level of quality?
I don't know the answer for others, but for myself I do seem to feel that something like that is important. If for no other reason than to help protect the increasingly non-mechanical consumers.

After all, we aren't talking really big money here. And we aren't talking about either you or the dealer taking a loss financially. It may not bother you to be the one to deal with it, but the next guy up to the plate may be your less capable neighbor.

So yes, at some point I do see making it right as the dealer's obligation. In fact, to me that seems reasonable that he would be the one to insist that we start over again with a different machine.

Hey, sorry about that 6.0. and glad it's going well now. We're still using the 2002 7.3. It's not been perfect either.... , but its a lot better than the first 7.3 liter Ford that we bought the year they came out. That one self-destructed at 50K. Way out of warranty, but Ford replaced the engine with a new one. We didn't even have to ask; they offered to do it. Said it was their fault. Some sort of air-cleaner problem if I remember right.
rScotty

 

[Agvg]

I think it somehow got into 4wd. When it bound so much that the shaft or universal popped, that shock kicked it into neutral.
I’m not a mechanic and I didn’t sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Why should it self destruct if the 4 WD was engaged?

 

[searcyfarms]

when it stopped so quickly - another reason why i think it was internal hydraulic issues there was no grinding, no klunking and it didnt slide the tires either so it wasn't like something locking up. the engine did sound a little loaded but not heavily. I checked the specs and it says top speed of like 16. something mph so that is plenty fast enough to slide tires but it didnt.

I agree we need to maintain a high quality of things lets hope they find something substantial. I think next time i will pop that baby into neutral and just coast down the hill so i dont have flashbacks and PTSD.

 

[CobyRupert]

Why should it self destruct if the 4 WD was engaged?

My "W.A.G.*" theory: Because he was traveling at road speed on pavement.
That a combination of tractor weight contributing to the friction (traction) of tires on pavement (against slipping), and (under) size of drive shaft caused maximum binding.

Conversely: If it wasn't in 4WD, why would the drive shaft bust if there's no torque in it? That is, if it's just freely spinning around by being turned by the front tires?
One would expect that even a bad universal will just clatter and wobble as long as you don't put a load on it. :2cents:

I'm guessing the "stop quick" experienced was when the loose drive shaft, broken at the tranny end, was spinning/flopping around, being driven by the front wheels, and got jammed. OP would of felt a maximum braking effect by the front tires, until the shaft at the front axle snapped dropping the rest of the drive shaft. Then everything would be free to turn and he could use it as a 2WD tractor. Which he did. Also, his tranny worked normal afterwards.


(*: W.A.G.: Wild *** Guess.)

 

[Zebrafive]

Agree don't get worked up until the dealer has fair chance to make things right.

 

[USAFpj]

Searcy- probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but ensure that you get a thorough and written diagnosis for your records. If you keep the tractor, this may come back as handy in a decade if it happens again, and you've forgotten the details of the original ailment.

Deere may not be too quick to admit fault, so be prepared for that as well.

 

[rScotty]

Searcy- probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but ensure that you get a thorough and written diagnosis for your records. If you keep the tractor, this may come back as handy in a decade if it happens again, and you've forgotten the details of the original ailment.

Deere may not be too quick to admit fault, so be prepared for that as well.

So far it doesn't seem like it is the dealer's fault in any way ; he didn't make the machine, only sold it.
I guess he could make this into some sort of a problem, but it would have to be a bit of effort on his part.

 

[searcyfarms]

Searcy- probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but ensure that you get a thorough and written diagnosis for your records. If you keep the tractor, this may come back as handy in a decade if it happens again, and you've forgotten the details of the original ailment.

Deere may not be too quick to admit fault, so be prepared for that as well.

Thanks and i will do that, the dealer has been good to me so I dont anticipate any issues but if this thing turns out intermittent and they cant find anything, I will be riding with butt pucker syndrome waiting for it to do it again. :thumbdown:

 

[Diggin It]

My "W.A.G.*" theory:

Conversely: If it wasn't in 4WD, why would the drive shaft bust if there's no torque in it? That is, if it's just freely spinning around by being turned by the front tires?
One would expect that even a bad universal will just clatter and wobble as long as you don't put a load on it. :2cents:

I'm guessing the "stop quick" experienced was when the loose drive shaft, broken at the tranny end, was spinning/flopping around, being driven by the front wheels, and got jammed. OP would of felt a maximum braking effect by the front tires, until the shaft at the front axle snapped dropping the rest of the drive shaft. Then everything would be free to turn and he could use it as a 2WD tractor. Which he did. Also, his tranny worked normal afterwards.


(*: W.A.G.: Wild *** Guess.)

Unless as I said in my "W.A.G.*" theory above, the shaft was bad from the factory, bad steel, metal fatigued somehow in manufacturing and the rotation simply spun it silly.

If it was something inside the transaxle, why would it continue to function seemingly normal afterwards? OK, maybe just part of the innards hurled itself into the great transaxle beyond, but will JD come to that conclusion?