Mahindra 5035 Smoking

   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking #11  
I take it your stuck between a rock & a hard place now.. The dealer has your tractor & a "specialist" has your pump & injectors..
Its possible that the inj. pump exploded internally & is cause for replacement vs repair.. but you'll never know.. because your at THEIR MERCY which seems isn't much.
Sorry for your troubles.. but there was other options..
I understand u were looking for help from Mahindra & THATS WHY u took it to them.. BUT now u know what the problem is.. GO GET your machine & take it directly to the fuel shop that has your P & Inj.. They'll put it back together at about 1/2 of what the dealer will do it for & u wont hafta pay the HUGE mark-up for the fuel system that the dealer is going to charge you..
U can probably save a couple thousand.?? Just call your local fuel shop & see if they have "your stuff"..
They WONT talk about the money they're charging the dealer vs YOU.. but u can ask them if they would be willing to reinstall the P & I..
I use to get those calls & jobs ALL THE TIME..
Good Luck..
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking #12  
Mahindra didn稚 manufacture either the injectors or the pump, so I wouldn稚 blame them.

60 hours in five years? Probably water in the fuel, which will destroy any fuel system in a tractor made by any manufacturer.

Take some personal accountability here, at least until a definitive root cause of the problem is irrefutably determined.
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking #13  
I take it your stuck between a rock & a hard place now.. The dealer has your tractor & a "specialist" has your pump & injectors..
Its possible that the inj. pump exploded internally & is cause for replacement vs repair.. but you'll never know.. because your at THEIR MERCY which seems isn't much.
Sorry for your troubles.. but there was other options..
I understand u were looking for help from Mahindra & THATS WHY u took it to them.. BUT now u know what the problem is.. GO GET your machine & take it directly to the fuel shop that has your P & Inj.. They'll put it back together at about 1/2 of what the dealer will do it for & u wont hafta pay the HUGE mark-up for the fuel system that the dealer is going to charge you..
U can probably save a couple thousand.?? Just call your local fuel shop & see if they have "your stuff"..
They WONT talk about the money they're charging the dealer vs YOU.. but u can ask them if they would be willing to reinstall the P & I..
I use to get those calls & jobs ALL THE TIME..
Good Luck..

What the pump guy is telling you makes a lot of sense. That is valuable info from a guy who knows his stuff. For what it's worth, I also agree that from what you say It does sound like the injectors are stuck or clogged or something.....and not unlikely because with that few running hours over that many years you can expect that diesel fuel does get water and bacteria in it. So what you saw isn't surprising.

But dealing with the injectors is usually pretty quick and easy. How much are 4 new ones? Not much. If it came into my shop I'd probably clean out the fuel tank, replace the fuel filter, slap in 4 new injectors, and hope that there wasn't too much diesel fuel generated crud in the lines - or that at least I'd gotten the worst of it. I might even part credit the job if I looked at your injectors and they looked good enough to be rebuildable. Many are; don;t know about your type.

BTW, it's easy to spray pattern the injectors against a piece of cardboard as you take them out.... and get a rough idea of how they are performing. Most mechanics will do that out of curiousity & to help their diagnosis.
rScotty
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking #14  
I take it your stuck between a rock & a hard place now.. The dealer has your tractor & a "specialist" has your pump & injectors..
Its possible that the inj. pump exploded internally & is cause for replacement vs repair.. but you'll never know.. because your at THEIR MERCY which seems isn't much.
Sorry for your troubles.. but there was other options..
I understand u were looking for help from Mahindra & THATS WHY u took it to them.. BUT now u know what the problem is.. GO GET your machine & take it directly to the fuel shop that has your P & Inj.. They'll put it back together at about 1/2 of what the dealer will do it for & u wont hafta pay the HUGE mark-up for the fuel system that the dealer is going to charge you..
U can probably save a couple thousand.?? Just call your local fuel shop & see if they have "your stuff"..
They WONT talk about the money they're charging the dealer vs YOU.. but u can ask them if they would be willing to reinstall the P & I..
I use to get those calls & jobs ALL THE TIME..
Good Luck..

Good post pumpguy . . . it's not all that hard.
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking
  • Thread Starter
#15  
Good post pumpguy . . . it's not all that hard.

You are right. No question. I have found injectors and ordered them at a very reasonable price that even makes sense to me. We hassled, negotiated and we are getting the Pump rebuilt for around 850.00 and that is somewhere in the ballpark at least. I got a quote from an out of state for $550.00 but no one knows them and they said it could go a little higher depending. But you are right and now I know and now anybody who wants to read knows and hopefully they won't make all these mistakes. It amazes me how some others take my comments (usually parts of them rather than the whole thought) that were simply meant to inform and twist them and accuse and throw blame around. I surely hope that it makes them feel almighty and great, for they aren't. Your comments were a pleasant surprise and I thank you for them and the effort and thought that went into writing them. That took some time and some real thinking. Thanks, thanks very much.

Now I have owned this tractor since very late 2012 or early 2013 and it has less than 60 hours on it. I owned and operated a Kioti 40 Horse Diesel for over 12 years. I used the Kioti to clear this property, desert land that was never, ever farmed or used or cleared. I used the Kioti to drill well over 1,000 post holes and the power of that little tractor sometimes took over two hours to drill one post hole through the Kalaichi - a super hard, super dense clay like collection in the soil. That was using carbide bits on the post hole driller also. I can easily account for 250 hours just doing that and the Kioti had less than 160 hours on it total. I thought the hour meter was goofy. Then I have used my Mahindra for almost a week straight at times and the hour meter reads what I said, under 60 hours. So there is some kind of criteria used to account for hours on a tractor because my two at least act the same in that regard. I generally use about 5 gallons of diesel a month and sometimes part of that is used in my Kubota.

We are over an hours drive from the Phoenix area and for someone to come out here they usually charge us $150.00 before they even get here. Our land is on an area where the road is not maintained by the county - I also feel that was a serious mistake and very stupid but again, I don't know what went into that decision so I might be totally out to lunch in a handbasket. So I either get it on and do it myself, working on the property or fixing the road or you know the alternatives. Yes I have went to the county and they passed laws to keep subdivisions like us from getting them in. Interesting? A whole, whole different story. So I need my tractor.

Now I know that I have to change the fuel filter at least once a year if not twice but the dealer told me that it was all in the maintenance and that would be at 250 hours. And I was 190 hours away from that. Stupid me thought I was good. I now know that if Mahindra has a fuel / water extraction system there is no warning of reaching capacity and it must bypass the process, again if there is one. Mahindra is ignoring me btw. I in general only buy Shell diesel which from my humble research is the best in this area. I also run Sea Foam in the diesel to control the water and it is rated to keep the diesel good for 2 years. No every last little tiny detail was not in my write up but good gracious can people accuse you when they didn't bother to try and read and understand what you are saying. This still amazes me, to say the least. And once again thanks for your response. I will follow what you recommend if there is ever a next time because that makes perfect sense. But I ran and ran my Kioti 40 horse diesel and believe me it wasn't babied like I baby my Mahindra and when I bought this **** tractor I tried to ask all the questions about what and how and when and nobody will help you. After all I owned a diesel for over 12 years already then. If they think they did, well my experience should explain that they were even in the same state, let alone the same ballpark. No I am not blaming them, I DID EVERYTHING I SAID. It was all my fault but now with some peoples kind help I am learning how to prevent this from happening again to us. And yes I did the 50 hour maintenance at the dealer. All fluids were replaced with synthetics from XADO.US. For example, the diesel synthetic oil at $25 / quart is rated to last 100,000 kilometers or about 62,000 miles. Believe me that service was expensive. But reading the comments I got in Facebook and here you know I was the dumbest most ignorant owner that God could let live in the earth. Well God bless every one of them. So lastly, I again appreciate your thoughtful reading and comments and I agree with you 100%.
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking #16  
:thumbsup: sounds like you have got it well in hand.
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking #17  
Hours on tractors is calculated at PTO rpm. So if you use your tractor at 1200 rpm and PTO speed is 2400 RPM to get 540 rpm. You can use your tractor for 2 hours and it will put one hour on the meter. When I do post holes the reactor is at 1000-1200 rpm, no need to go fast.
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking
  • Thread Starter
#18  
Hours on tractors is calculated at PTO rpm. So if you use your tractor at 1200 rpm and PTO speed is 2400 RPM to get 540 rpm. You can use your tractor for 2 hours and it will put one hour on the meter. When I do post holes the reactor is at 1000-1200 rpm, no need to go fast.

Thanks for your info, I certainly did not know that. Regarding post holes, we have what is called Kalichi - harder than clay like material in the soil and I took full throttle in my Kioti and in places, it tool over an hour to drill a post hole. But my Mahindra I just rev up to 1500 and it is powerful enough to just go through. That is part of the reason I traded for the Mahindra. We had 25' plus roots to extract to clear our property and I had to ask my neighbor to come over to get some - he had a 55 horse John Deere. And with out monsoons we have sometimes 24" of water flooding and that moves a lot of dirt. So again thanks for you info. I have learned several things from some great folks and I surely appreciate their efforts and yours and thoughts. Thank you.
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking #19  
Hour meters that record hours at a given engine speed went away on most equipment ages ago. Your Mahindra has an electric clock that measures time the engine is running. I’m not sure but your old Kioti may have had one of the ancient mechanical counter types that count engine revolutions and display a number that is engine revolutions per hour divided by rated engine speed. Not used by any current tractor manufacturer that I know of.
 
   / Mahindra 5035 Smoking #20  
Water in fuel is a problem in the desert because of high temperature fluctuations - very hot days followed by cool evenings. If your engines fuel system can handle it, I would add an additional Racor or equivalent water separator on the fuel inlet side of the injection side. Using a water dispersant such as Sea Foam May sound good on paper and advertising, but what it is doing is attaching to the water molecule and carrying it through the high pressure fuel system where water can cause rust and lacks lubricity. We asked our injection system supplier - this was in the 1980s - if we should add a dispersant to our fuel from the factory because they could sit in storage or be on a ship for a long time before use. They told us no, the last thing they wanted was water molecules going through the system. They said improve water separation ahead of the pump.
 

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