Dumb Hydraulic Filter question

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Kubota L5240HST. Getting ready for a filter change all around. Read the owners manual and see the two "hydraulic" filters. Or I should say one is a "transmission" filter and the other is a "hydraulic" filter (I think the hydraulic one is on the right forward of the step, the transmission one on the left, rear of the step).

But there's only one place to put the oil. I've tried to read the diagrams in the WSM without success, so the dumb question is:

Why two filters if it's all the same oil?
 
   / Dumb Hydraulic Filter question #2  
One is a suction filter that filters all the oil being pumped to the transmission, three point hitch, loader and any remote valves. The transmission filter is a secondary element that filters oil directed to the hydrostatic pump and motor by the charge pump. The entire system uses the tractors rear axle and transmission housings as a reservoir.
Hydrostatic and CVT transmissions have less tolerance for contaminants in oil than pump and valve hydraulic systems.
 
   / Dumb Hydraulic Filter question #3  
The HST pump has tighter tolerances & cleanliness requirements than all the other hydraulics. Hence it has it's own filter separate than the normal hydraulic filter. Common sump & fluid otherwise though.
 
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Kubota L5240HST. Getting ready for a filter change all around. Read the owners manual and see the two "hydraulic" filters. Or I should say one is a "transmission" filter and the other is a "hydraulic" filter (I think the hydraulic one is on the right forward of the step, the transmission one on the left, rear of the step).

But there's only one place to put the oil. I've tried to read the diagrams in the WSM without success, so the dumb question is:

Why two filters if it's all the same oil?

I just the filters and oils on my L4240 two weeks ago. Two filters with different purposes as stated and on fill point as stated. The challenge is having a container big enough or containerS with a plan when you open the drain for the Super UDT2. Then have plenty on hand to refill. Don稚 forget a funnel that works with your system...mine took some adjustments to make it easier. Also the 2.5 gal jug are easier to pour from than the 5 gallons. Buy one use it to fill from and keep a little extra on hand for broken fittings/hoses.

Mike
 
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I just the filters and oils on my L4240 two weeks ago. Two filters with different purposes as stated and on fill point as stated. The challenge is having a container big enough or containerS with a plan when you open the drain for the Super UDT2. Then have plenty on hand to refill. Don稚 forget a funnel that works with your system...mine took some adjustments to make it easier. Also the 2.5 gal jug are easier to pour from than the 5 gallons. Buy one use it to fill from and keep a little extra on hand for broken fittings/hoses.

Mike

Which one (the left rear or right front), is the more critical hydrostatic system filter. My manual (and Messicks) calls one the hydraulic filter and the other the hydraulic oil filter!
 
   / Dumb Hydraulic Filter question #6  
Which one (the left rear or right front), is the more critical hydrostatic system filter. My manual (and Messicks) calls one the hydraulic filter and the other the hydraulic oil filter!
The HST is a smaller filter with a thicker stronger housing.

Also, put a shop vac on the fill port, that stops fluid from comming out the filter housing or drain port. A great way to put the brakes on draining so you can swap drain pans
 
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The HST is a smaller filter with a thicker stronger housing.

Also, put a shop vac on the fill port, that stops fluid from comming out the filter housing or drain port. A great way to put the brakes on draining so you can swap drain pans

Thanks. The manual is still (to me) quite confusing on the matter. At 200 hours it calls for "Replacing Transmission Oil Filter (HST Type)". I think this is the one on the left side of the tractor by the step. But it points to three drain plugs: Two near the rear axle, and another further forward.

At 400 hours, ti calls for "Replacing Hydraulic Oil Filter" but only the two rear most plugs are called for draining. WTF?
 
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   / Dumb Hydraulic Filter question #8  
The manuals, parts listings, and forum discussions are frequently confusing on the filter names as well as service intervals.
Most Kubota HST's (my last 2) get the HST (Transmission) filter at 50, 200, and every 200 thereafter. The Hydraulic filter (and fluid) every 400h.
I didn't look at your specific machine's manual to confirm the location, but I lable the filters in my manuals .
 
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Thanks. The manual is still (to me) quite confusing on the matter. At 200 hours it calls for "Replacing Transmission Oil Filter (HST Type)". I think this is the one on the left side of the tractor by the step. But it points to three drain plugs: Two near the rear axle, and another further forward.

At 400 hours, ti calls for "Replacing Hydraulic Oil Filter" but only the two rear most plugs are called for draining. WTF?


WTF indeed! Something not talked about is how far out of date that the maintenance section of the Owner's Manuals can be. And also that sections of the maintenance schedule are more general than model specific. Crawl under your Kubota 5240 and take a look for those drain points... See if they even exist. That might just answer your question on drain points. I did it to mine and it got me to thinking about how I should put more mechanical thought into the maintenance schedule. Bottom line was not to Kubota's schedule as the final word.

My Kubota M59 lists 4 different drain plugs that are to be removed to drain the HST/Hydraulic oil, but several of those drain plugs don't even exist on my tractor. I checked on a later M59 maintenance manual and the error was still there.....which means the maintenance portion of my Kubota's Owner's Manual is general rather than particular to my model, and also at least ten years out of date. Your's could be too.

It does make sense to change the HST filter more often, and it also makes sense that the HST change interval would be a sub-multiple of the hydraulic filter change interval. The HST is more sensitive to small particles; you sure don't want that particular filter ever to go into bypass mode..... BTW, bypass mode settings and the filter's bypass valve construction are internal to the filter. And if that all by itself isn't a sufficient reason to stick with OEM filters rather than aftermarket then I don't know what might be.

The downside of a of a common sump is that the HST needs super clean oil, while the transmission's big rear end gears and differentials do tend to shed fairlylarge particles of hardened steel that can really mess up a HST. So that explains whey there are lots of filters and short filter intervals. I go along with that.

Something else to think about is that today's mechanical schemes for changing the filter without simultaneously changing the oil is a fairly recent innovation. For a maintenance person to keep the modern hi-dollar, long-lasting oil while only changing the filters makes sense today, but it didn't used to be so commonly done. That may be another way that the maintenance part of your Owner's Manual isn't up to date.
Enjoy,
rScotty
 

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