Ford 1700 - electrical

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Anyone have a problem with tractor not turning over. New starter, solenoid, and battery. When trying to turn over the solenoid smokes as well as the positive battery terminal? Anyone have this issue? Im going to back track all the wires to make sure there are no bare ones.

Thanks
 
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The crank shaft turns
 
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Anyone have a problem with tractor not turning over. New starter, solenoid, and battery. When trying to turn over the solenoid smokes as well as the positive battery terminal? Anyone have this issue? Im going to back track all the wires to make sure there are no bare ones.

Thanks

Is the engine frozen?

The crank shaft turns
You can't have it both ways if you expect help. So which is it,engine turns or it doesn't turn???
 
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Sorry for the confusion. After research i believe it may be the voltage regulator. What olm resistance should i get checking the regulator vs per the fsm. Im getting around 40 olms for the n and f checks.

Thanks
 
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I have a similar problem. I've been through 3 starters & two starter repairs. There is never any sound coming from the solanoid, even when I jump it directly from the battery.
The pattern seems to be that the solaniod burns out (?), and I have to remove the starter and replace or repair. Seems to happen in late spring/early summer after starting and using the tractor successfully once or twice. I'm suspecting moisture getting into the solanoid from somewhere within the engine or transmission.

Can't see how the voltage regulator would affect the operation of the starter.
Hope someone is still listening to this thread ...
 
   / Ford 1700 - electrical #8  
Considering what starters cost,you must have spent close to $1k on parts so far. You might be money ahead letting a pro fix this rather than continue down the path of diy. If I had a gun to my head and only one guess,I'd say the bendix is locking onto ring gear. Commonly known as locked starter. You either know how to test and deal with locked starter or you don't. Gun to head doesn't enable me to tell you how without risk of making it worse.
 
   / Ford 1700 - electrical #9  
Should not be voltage regulator as that on deals with charging battery after it is running. Did you put the solenoid on the starter? There is a right way and a wrong way to install. Take the starter off and try to run it with jumper cables. If it works then reinstall and clean all terminals and grounds. Jump the terminals with a screwdriver to test again. If it works then test key switch circuit.
 
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Thanks for your replies. Yes, it took me that much money to figure out it was not just bad starters. I've had a pro look at it, and he concluded like me it was a bad starter. I have tested my current starter with jumpers after removing it from the tractor, and there was no sound or motion. There was a spark at the + battery terminal when I disconnected the jumper, so I'm guessing the solanoid is shorted out(?). I've checked all wiring, and replaced battery, battery cable & key switch. Clutch safety switch quit, and I wired around it. More money spent. I have never tried fixing the starter myself, but have taken it into a shop. @jaxs , if the bendix got locked, could that somehow cause a higher than rated current in the solanoid?

Here's another lead - the starter seems very rusty on the inside, as is the ring gear. Tractor has always been stored in a shed, and not used all that much. Condensation?

Another wierdness with this tractor is that the oil seems very thin, like the 10W30 I put into it got mixed with a lighter weight oil or transmission fluid. Does not appear to be mixed with radiator fluid, as there is no separation after the tractor has been sitting. The oil pressure light comes on soon after it starts - but this could be a bad pressure sensor.
 

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