Kioti NX5010 bypassing the seat safety switch

[K5lwq]

If a person is not experienced operating heavy equipment then I am in favor of as many safety switches as possible. If a person has a brain and will use it, no problem.

If one is bouncing around on the seat, one should SLOW down! Common sense will do much more in keeping someone safe than any safety device out there.

The problem is people have become careless and rely to much on something or someone else to keep them safe. :2cents:

 

[LouNY]

Good golly miss molly,
how in the heck did I ever survive the first few tractors I ever operated,
the WD Chalmers, had to walk around in front of it to use the crank to start it, reach over to the carb, choke it it, carefully pull the crank up to get her ready for a start, shove the crank down that half a revolution and repeat till she started. Then return the choke to the run position, place the crank back in the spot it would ride in, walk around to the rear of the tractor and climb up onto a steel seat. Throw the hand clutch forward, slid around the steering wheel (couldn't reach the pedal from the seat behind the wheel) to push the foot clutch in and get it in gear scoot back into the seat slid around to the other side get the brake lock off, hold a brake pedal and slide back into the seat use the hand clutch to get moving. Then when we filled silo using a belt driven chopper blower, getting that flat belt on the pulleys and tensioned correctly and working just feet from that belt, pulling silage out of wagon while leaning over a moving apron chain, or getting up on the flat wagon and bring armfulls of corn stalks back and dropping them into the apron to be pulled in and chopped, then when it was time to shut her down getting the belt pulley disengaged and spun down, maybe leave the tractor hooked up but the magneto kill switch almost never worked so you went up beside the running engine and pushed the shorting spring down to kill it.
Then the old Farmall 400, she was a joy some times, a nice bouncy spring seat for a nice ride, a little tiny bent piece of rebar back on the right hand side of the drawbar linkage to stepon to climb up and onto the platform and get in the seat. A clutch that a kid had to hold onto the steering wheel to get enough leverage to depress to stop the tractor or get it into or out of gear. A long handle on the right side for the PTO, push it ahead a bit push down on the lock, pull the lever back to engage. Then the fun part if doing stationary operation such as using the new self unloading wagons, or rebaling broken hay bales you had to climb down off right next to a running pto shaft to operate the wagon controls or throw or fork hay into a baler or chopper. Most of the old tractors you got to the seat from the rear climbing over drawbars and equipment, much of the time with it running. It was nice when the newer row crops started having steps up to a platform, with the steps being in front of the rear tires.

Were there accidents and deaths? certainly but you learned to pay attention and to watch out for yourself and the others working around you.
There can be too many safety devices which allow incompetent operators to run things and cause injuries to others. Because they rely on them and not themselves.

This is kind of long winded way to say people need to pay attention to what they are doing and be aware of the consequences of their actions or inactions.
Sometimes experience can be a harsh instructor to careless individuals.

 

[countrybumpkin]

People, you DON'T bypass the seat safety switch!..

What ever, to each his own.

 

[Wagtail]

Sounds more like a seat belt issue..

That's not what 4570Man asked though, is it.

 

[Threepoint]

If a person is not experienced operating heavy equipment then I am in favor of as many safety switches as possible. If a person has a brain and will use it, no problem.

If one is bouncing around on the seat, one should SLOW down! Common sense will do much more in keeping someone safe than any safety device out there.

The problem is people have become careless and rely to much on something or someone else to keep them safe. :2cents:

+1 on this. But today as always, people do as people do. Even experienced operators can get careless, or distracted, or have a senior moment that turns dangerous. And with the growing popularity of CUTS and SCUTS that are so easy to use, there's often a risk that a family member or friend with less experience will end up in the operator's seat. Ok, I get the utility of natural selection, but I hate to see it in action with sentient critters, especially the human kind. So safety interlocks make a lot of sense to me when they're well-designed for the likely use.

But isn't that the rub? Even capable regulators and careful design engineers have to struggle with it, sometimes with odd inconsistencies. I have a 2018 CK3510SE HST open station and a 2014 NX4510HST Cab, but the seat and range selector interlocks work very differently. On my CK, the range selector does not have to be in neutral in order to leave the seat with the tractor running, or to start the tractor, as long as the parking brake is set. On my NX HST, the range selector must be in neutral, as well as the brake set. I've yet to see a reason for the difference, unless it has something to do with the cab/open station layout.

It's certainly more convenient for the operator on the CK, but it's taken me awhile to get used to the inconsistency when I switch from one to the other. With my open-station CK HST, I will sometimes stand on the ground and reach in to start the tractor without putting it in neutral. Each time I do it, though, I make sure my foot is not directly in front of the rear tire, just in case. :laughing:

 

[Threepoint]

I just purchased a new NX5010 the unit was blowing fuses and my dealer thought it might be due to me bypassing the seat safety switch.
I simply want to let everyone know that, the fuse was a separate issue from the seat switch.
The seat switch can be bypassed with out affecting the computer. Confirmed with OEM
This forum will not allow me to post the link
So go to ebay then search for KIOTI-Tractor-Seat-safety-Switch-bypass-Connector
With kind regards,
Wayne

Thinking more about this, if the NX seat switch is jumpered, as with that bypass or simply a jumper wire, I'm assuming that the parking brake no longer needs to be set, nor the range selector in neutral, in order to leave the seat. Is that right? Hmm. Anyone see any issue with that? Yes, ordinarily the HST tractor will not move without activating the swash plate, but HST creep does happen. E.g., debris in the linkage, or linkage out of adjustment.

 

[K5lwq]

+1 on this. But today as always, people do as people do. Even experienced operators can get careless, or distracted, or have a senior moment that turns dangerous. And with the growing popularity of CUTS and SCUTS that are so easy to use, there's often a risk that a family member or friend with less experience will end up in the operator's seat. Ok, I get the utility of natural selection, but I hate to see it in action with sentient critters, especially the human kind. So safety interlocks make a lot of sense to me when they're well-designed for the likely use.

But isn't that the rub? Even capable regulators and careful design engineers have to struggle with it, sometimes with odd inconsistencies. I have a 2018 CK3510SE HST open station and a 2014 NX4510HST Cab, but the seat and range selector interlocks work very differently. On my CK, the range selector does not have to be in neutral in order to leave the seat with the tractor running, or to start the tractor, as long as the parking brake is set. On my NX HST, the range selector must be in neutral, as well as the brake set. I've yet to see a reason for the difference, unless it has something to do with the cab/open station layout.

It's certainly more convenient for the operator on the CK, but it's taken me awhile to get used to the inconsistency when I switch from one to the other. With my open-station CK HST, I will sometimes stand on the ground and reach in to start the tractor without putting it in neutral. Each time I do it, though, I make sure my foot is not directly in front of the rear tire, just in case. :laughing:

I do not disagree with you at all. However, accidents can and do occur with or without safety switches. Although it is rare, I have seen switches fail in the closed positions. This will lead to a false sense of security. A person must respect and understand the risk involved in whatever activity they are doing.

Cars are a good example of a false sense of security. People twist a key in those things and begin to feel invincible. The risk I see people take driving could never be overcome by safety features.

Not sure if there is a solution to the decay of common sense, but I guess one can hope.

 

[Overtaxed]

Yup, that's exactly how it works. Yes, you could be injured because of the lack of a kill. You could also not set the parking brake tight enough and the fact the machine is in neutral causes it to roll over you, even with the safety switch. I think two things are inarguable. There are some people who have been saved from death or serious injury by the safety switch. And also, for some tasks, the switch is a royal PITA. I finally disabled mine because I couldn't stand up to see where the tips of my forks were without setting the brake/neutral. That was ridiculous. Yes, I know why it works that way, and yes, for some tasks, it would be fine. On my other tractor, I disabled it because I wanted to "creep" the machine using the backhoe (using a stick to push the pedal to go forward a few feet). Dangerous? On that machine, yes, no doubt, that's dangerous. On the cab tractor? I struggle to see how I increased my danger much, if at all, by disabling the switch. And hydros, in general, are much safer here because if your foot comes off the forward pedal, well.. The machine stops. Not like a gear tractor that can keep going dragging you under/along with it.

But I do agree, it's inarguable that it's more dangerous without it. But I'm willing to accept what I see as a very small danger to have the huge convenience. To each his own.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

I just purchased a new NX5010 the unit was blowing fuses and my dealer thought it might be due to me bypassing the seat safety switch.
I simply want to let everyone know that, the fuse was a separate issue from the seat switch.
The seat switch can be bypassed with out affecting the computer. Confirmed with OEM
This forum will not allow me to post the link
So go to ebay then search for KIOTI-Tractor-Seat-safety-Switch-bypass-Connector
With kind regards,
Wayne

I made my seat bypass out of 0.30 stainless safety wire and electrical tape. I either drop my grapple or set the parking brake to keep the safety weenies away.

 

[justman777]

My seat bypass is a mini-toggle switch I have mounted to my right in the cab. I turn it on when needed, off when not. Most often need is to start the tractor and raise the loader after making sure it's in park and neutral.