Time to convert from small engine to battery tools?

[dragoneggs]

Ironically both my Dewalt 20V and 60V battery saws use way too much bar oil.
nothing you can do about it either.

Maybe mine just needs breaking in? You could always use dirty motor oil and wait until your orifice gunks up! :laughing:

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I've been thinking about it too. We have 3 vehicles. One Subaru is just used for running around locally in Sacramento. Another Subaru is just used for running around locally in Mendocino county. The F150 is used for everything else. Either or both of the Subarus could be replaced with an electric vehicle. But at the low mileage we put on them, they will last at least another 10 years. So getting to play with a new electric vehicle is not happening any time soon.

Working on rebuilding the house on the place with the two bay shop has been done by mainly by family members of our soon to be (21st Sept) daughter in law and they all have battery operated tools that are awesome. Since battery technology has advanced so much I got to thinking about an EV with driving aids.

The Impending Big Auto/Oil Implosion Explained | In Depth - YouTube was some info that popped up this morning and they talk about EV's near term being considered by more and more people are freezing the idea of buying a new ICE with the thought to wait for an EV that is out or soon coming out. Hope the link works OK.

If the cross over happens 2023 there are going to be a lot of sick dealers without EV's to meet demand. Oil prices may be under pressure even sooner. EV sales in Europe and China are hot. There are a few electric large tractors in Europe. Larger and larger power tools will be battery operator.

 

[jjp8182]

Working on rebuilding the house on the place with the two bay shop has been done by mainly by family members of our soon to be (21st Sept) daughter in law and they all have battery operated tools that are awesome. Since battery technology has advanced so much I got to thinking about an EV with driving aids.

The Impending Big Auto/Oil Implosion Explained | In Depth - YouTube was some info that popped up this morning and they talk about EV's near term being considered by more and more people are freezing the idea of buying a new ICE with the thought to wait for an EV that is out or soon coming out. Hope the link works OK.

If the cross over happens 2023 there are going to be a lot of sick dealers without EV's to meet demand. Oil prices may be under pressure even sooner. EV sales in Europe and China are hot. There are a few electric large tractors in Europe. Larger and larger power tools will be battery operator.

I suspect their projection is probably 5-10 years too optimistic (particularly on the total elimination of ICE vehicles). Biggest reason for my thinking is that I don't see that either the support infrastructure or range of EVs being to able to support coast-to-coast travel in the same time duration as internal combustion engine powered vehicles in less than another 5-10 years. Yes, Tesla (and potentially others) are looking to build electric semi-tractors, but so far the focus has been on local shipping not long-haul. Likewise while the infrastructure is growing, it's not yet as robust as it is for ICE vehicles. Not to mention that recharging (even supercharging) still takes longer than refueling --- and when time has monetary impacts.....

Personally, while I might buy an electric as a second vehicle I couldn't see myself switching over completely until I could travel 1100 miles in 16 hours (in whatever weather/temps) with a minimum of 2000lbs of useful load (passengers + cargo). While I like the concept of electric vehicles right now the performance just isn't there for me (yet). I'd also wager there are respectable number of non-urbanites, and traveling professionals with similar constraints. For them, and myself I suspect a plug-in diesel-electric hybrid would be of far greater interest/potential.

I suspect the manufacturing rate of EVs will also take a bit longer to reliably ramp up. For example: a coworker of mine had a Tesla on order, but just recently cancelled the order after multiple delays, as well as seeing reports of quality control issues arising ...and so since a vehicle was needed a conventional ICE vehicle (if I recall correctly) was purchased.

Of course that's just my opinion....

The other interesting thing I've seen come up is the impact to the existing electrical grid. Given how much difficulty some areas are already having with the increasing electrical demands from everything else adding EVs everywhere will just amplify the problems, and create a lot of infrastructure upgrade requirements (many of which won't be cheap or quick to make) as well.

Though to me it's also rather amusing to realize that most of that system depends on steam-power to generate electricity. Nuclear, coal, gas almost all of it's just a way of generating heat in order to create steam which is then used to drive a turbine attached to a generator..... sort of means all this high-tech stuff is completely reliant on steam -- not something I'd wager most people ever think about

...almost makes me want to go build my own steam-driven powerplant

 

[Industrial Toys]

Kind of curious about the used cranky oil in the saw. We did that many years ago.

But, if the oil was good enough to protect the pistons and other parts in an expensive engine, in a VERY hostile environment, until the moment it was drained, can't it be good enough to lubricate a saw chain?

 

[JK22]

I suspect their projection is probably 5-10 years too optimistic (particularly on the total elimination of ICE vehicles). Biggest reason for my thinking is that I don't see that either the support infrastructure or range of EVs being to able to support coast-to-coast travel in the same time duration as internal combustion engine powered vehicles in less than another 5-10 years. Yes, Tesla (and potentially others) are looking to build electric semi-tractors, but so far the focus has been on local shipping not long-haul. Likewise while the infrastructure is growing, it's not yet as robust as it is for ICE vehicles. Not to mention that recharging (even supercharging) still takes longer than refueling --- and when time has monetary impacts.....

Personally, while I might buy an electric as a second vehicle I couldn't see myself switching over completely until I could travel 1100 miles in 16 hours (in whatever weather/temps) with a minimum of 2000lbs of useful load (passengers + cargo). While I like the concept of electric vehicles right now the performance just isn't there for me (yet). I'd also wager there are respectable number of non-urbanites, and traveling professionals with similar constraints. For them, and myself I suspect a plug-in diesel-electric hybrid would be of far greater interest/potential.

I suspect the manufacturing rate of EVs will also take a bit longer to reliably ramp up. For example: a coworker of mine had a Tesla on order, but just recently cancelled the order after multiple delays, as well as seeing reports of quality control issues arising ...and so since a vehicle was needed a conventional ICE vehicle (if I recall correctly) was purchased.

Of course that's just my opinion....

The other interesting thing I've seen come up is the impact to the existing electrical grid. Given how much difficulty some areas are already having with the increasing electrical demands from everything else adding EVs everywhere will just amplify the problems, and create a lot of infrastructure upgrade requirements (many of which won't be cheap or quick to make) as well.

Though to me it's also rather amusing to realize that most of that system depends on steam-power to generate electricity. Nuclear, coal, gas almost all of it's just a way of generating heat in order to create steam which is then used to drive a turbine attached to a generator..... sort of means all this high-tech stuff is completely reliant on steam -- not something I'd wager most people ever think about

...almost makes me want to go build my own steam-driven powerplant

Pickup trucks outsell cars by 2:1 in the U.S. I don’t see EVs taking over anytime soon.

 

[shooterdon]

Working on rebuilding the house on the place with the two bay shop has been done by mainly by family members of our soon to be (21st Sept) daughter in law and they all have battery operated tools that are awesome. Since battery technology has advanced so much I got to thinking about an EV with driving aids.

The Impending Big Auto/Oil Implosion Explained | In Depth - YouTube was some info that popped up this morning and they talk about EV's near term being considered by more and more people are freezing the idea of buying a new ICE with the thought to wait for an EV that is out or soon coming out. Hope the link works OK.

If the cross over happens 2023 there are going to be a lot of sick dealers without EV's to meet demand. Oil prices may be under pressure even sooner. EV sales in Europe and China are hot. There are a few electric large tractors in Europe. Larger and larger power tools will be battery operator.

Huge difference between a drill and a vehicle. I will die well before the ICE is displaced.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Pickup trucks outsell cars by 2:1 in the U.S. I don’t see EVs taking over anytime soon.

I felt the same way until last week. Ford did not spend $500 million to get access to an electric pick up truck if they had a F-150 ready to roll out.

Ford Invests $5M in Electric Truck Maker Rivian: Here'''s Why | Fortune

A pickup truck EV would be cool but foremost I want/need vehicles with 360 degree view on a in cabin display. Self driving features is more important to me today than EV vs ICE.

 

[Wagtail]

A few years ago I read a 'blog' put out by a bloke who used to work for a solar panel installation company. The short story was not to bother buying them (panels & system) as you never financially 'break even'. The panels and the storage batteries, each, have a finite operating life = expensive replacement 'down the track'.

The statement that has stood out after all these years is, "If solar was viable you'd see a set on every accountant's roof."

I believe that the same holds for electric vehicles.

That being said, I do believe that 'hydrogen cell' technology holds potential.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

How Internal Combustion Engines Will Die Out in Eurasia | Greentech Media

Keep in mind the ICE going away is not for practical reasons only but the change over to EV's initially is mainly a political issue.

New electrical motors and new battery technology will make the EV's better and at a lower cost year by year like with all electronics.

When gas and diesel drops to a $1 a gallon that will extend the practical life of the ICE machines plus the glut of them on the market may make them too cheap to pass up.

EV's will displace the ICE's faster than the ICE's displaced the horse and buggy. China alone plans to add 1.5 million EV's on their roads in 2020. ICE's will be banned city wide faster than most expect I expect.

It was the battery tools development in part that has made the EV's as a worldwide movement possible.

 

[Rebeldad1]

Kind of curious about the used cranky oil in the saw. We did that many years ago.

But, if the oil was good enough to protect the pistons and other parts in an expensive engine, in a VERY hostile environment, until the moment it was drained, can't it be good enough to lubricate a saw chain?

for most of us Any used heavy oils will do to lube a bar and chain. The trick would be making it the thick honey sticky like oil bar oil is.
If you are a hard user who at times burns your bar and chain I would stick to manufactured bar oil.