Recognizing stolen equipment ???

[nards444]

Is the person you are dealing with willing to let you take a picture of their drivers license? I would have no issue, if I was selling a big ticket item.

I wouldn't let that happen, copies of your ID shouldnt be floating around for others to have. If a buyer wants a bill of sale, wants proof of who I am I would show my ID but no copy on paper or digits will be going anywhere. Buyer can use whatever means he wants to check on the item, VIN check etc, if the item requires a title obviously that will be produced as well.

 

[nards444]

The problem with your solution here, the thief will (probably) never be able to pay the restitution back. What happens if they don't? Put them in jail, we the tax payers continue to pay for their food, housing, and medical expenses.

True, his point was and I would agree, the original owner is entitled to his stuff back, what happened after the item involuntary left his possession is not his concern, which is correct, regardless if somebody else got the shaft. Really no different then a bank, default on a loan and sell it(really is theft) bank deserves their property back.

 

[Industrial Toys]

True about the identity privacy. But criminals are using that kind of stuff more and more against us. Ask the seller, if he minds if you call the cops to have them run the machine and his identity. See his reaction.

 

[4570Man]

No doubt, any administration and facilities would cost more than could ever be recovered. We do however, spend money on far more wasteful things. They say that threat of punishment does not deter crime, but I say, let's try it anyway and see. Not talking internet and TV, but punishment. And then of course you do end up with people that can never probably reintegrate with society.

It would if the punishment was severe. Stealing should be a hanging offense. At least there wouldn’t be any repeat offenders.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Curious if Islam has many one handed repeat thieves. lol Gotta feel kind of extra bad for the guy in that society that looses his hand in an accident.

 

[Fuddy1952]

The problem with your solution here, the thief will (probably) never be able to pay the restitution back. What happens if they don't? Put them in jail, we the tax payers continue to pay for their food, housing, and medical expenses.

I agree 100%...which is why prisoners should be made to work. They get "paid" $X/hour. Only that money pays restitution, room and board. Taxpayers shouldn't have to pay. I understand about the liberal rebuttal, but they should learn whatever you want you work for.
I believe it's possible to do it. The harder prisoner works the quicker they get out. Lazy, the other prisoners would have to pick up the slack so probably not too many lazy ones!

 

[nards444]

True about the identity privacy. But criminals are using that kind of stuff more and more against us. Ask the seller, if he minds if you call the cops to have them run the machine and his identity. See his reaction.

yeah I dont know. I let buyers take the VIN and do what they will with it. Going to the police station isnt always going to net you something though. Police cant just run numbers without probable cause, and not all stations have the same capabilities, for example your local city cop shop may not be able to see if something was stolen 5 states over. Key is the item was reported stolen first. Guns, cars etc those are easy. In this tractor case, good luck

 

[Fuddy1952]

No doubt, any administration and facilities would cost more than could ever be recovered. We do however, spend money on far more wasteful things. They say that threat of punishment does not deter crime, but I say, let's try it anyway and see. Not talking internet and TV, but punishment. And then of course you do end up with people that can never probably reintegrate with society.

"let's try it anyway and see"
Here's a small scale example...but it DOES work. Here's why...
Years ago a good friend was manager of a department store in a small town South of here. He caught shoplifters all the time. He went to court, judge slapped criminal on wrist, let them go.
One day the court attorney said to judge (referencing my friend)...this man comes to court , takes off work, court is lenient on shoplifters. I believe we need to change. Judge agreed. Then said what did this guy steal...a pair of shoes...ok, $200 fine, 10 days jail. Next...case (some $20 item)...second offence...$500 fine, 30 days jail...etc.
My friend said shoplifting stopped after that!!!!! Word got around.
Small, but perfect example.

 

[Diggin It]

to hard for the state or local government to police every side transaction dont matter how bad somebody gets screwed, second do you want the state in your business even further. Next a bad actor sells something like the tractor in this story, somebody may take a loss why should the company?

I don't want the state in my business, but I don't want somebody else's business in my business either.

Acme sells a specialty big bux widget to Bubba, who sells it BobbyJo two years later who sells it to me another three years later. I have a receipt showing paid in full and so does BobbyJo. I take it in for service at Acme and they tell me Bubba wigged out and I ow owe big bux.

Phooey on that. Acme can go after Bubba or whizz up a rope. They got no call to come after me or BobbyJo. Neither one of us had a contract with Acme promising to pay them a dime.

Acme bought and paid for politicians to write those kinds of laws.

 

[Diggin It]

Police cant just run numbers without probably cause, and not all stations have the same capabilities, for example your local city cop shop may not be able to see if something was stolen 5 states over. Key is the item was reported stolen first. Guns, cars etc those are easy. In this tractor case, good luck

With a reasonable question, they'd rather do a VIN Inspection than a stolen property or fraud report and investigation.