Yanmar ym1100d block heater options

[akrovers]

Has anyone found a coolant block heater option that will work on the ym1100d?

Thanks
Matt

 

[careyo63]

Yanmar Tractor Parts: Product Search This should work. Using the Thermostart works really good also for cold starts if you have it. Thermostart Kit: Yanmar Tractor Parts Welcome BTW. Sub zero you just may need both. Use my Thermostart very seldom in Ga. No heater and it stays under a carport outside for example......

 

[careyo63]

Try it again?
MAGNETIC BLOCK HEATER - STD OUTPUT -: Yanmar Tractor Parts

Sorry about that I should of checked it also....

 

[bmaverick]

Has anyone found a coolant block heater option that will work on the ym1100d?

Thanks
Matt

Matt, Not sure of your location, maybe far north? I'm in Southern WI. It will drop down to -20F real feel (9F) tonight. Our compact tractors can use 5W30 as the winter engine oil. This is far better starting than 15W40 in the winter. I was on the YM2610 today moving snow this afternoon in 15F weather. No issues at all on startup. First pulled the decompression cable (some models you would turn), then pulled back the throttle 1/2 way, with turning the key and the starter kicking in, I press in the decompression cable. The Yanmar fires right up. AND, the thermostart has been broken for the past 2 years. (I know, got to get it fixed.).

A coolant block heater is nice. Works best when the tractor is out of the cold wind. Is your coolant mixture 50/50 or 60/40 or 40/60 ? I've only used, 'Prestone 50/50 mixes with everything extreme cold temp coolant'. It's not frozen up at all. The YM2610 sits in a lean-to. (3-sided walled shelter, open in the back away from the wind.)

Welcome to the group here. There are plenty of helpful folks on the site.

 

[akrovers]

Thanks for the welcome and information, I will try the lighter oil in winter. I live in Alaska so everything I can do to make easier starting in the winter helps! Hoyt told me the ym1100d has too shallow of water jacket holes to use any coolant block heater but I thought I would check here to see if anyone else has found otherwise. Or maybe a heater in the radiator return line?

Matt

 

[California]

If the lower hose is too short for that, then maybe Carey's magnetic heater stuck on under the pan is the next solution? Or simply a tarp and a light bulb, or a small space heater?

Before I replaced the badly-rebuilt starter I found on the YM240 when I bought it, I stuck a hair dryer and some PVC drainpipe into the air filter intake and ran that for a while before attempting starting, a couple of times when I needed the tractor in 'cold' (+40 ) weather. This won't help cranking speed but warming the cylinders improved the initial combustion.

Living in Alaska I assume this is common knowledge - putting the charger on the battery to warm it will increase the amount of current it puts out.

When I eventually bought a new starter I got one spec'ed for a 40 hp 4 cylinder Yanmar, that had the same gear teeth etc as my 24 hp YM240. That cranks it frantically. I think it would even start a badly worn engine, pushing off the inevitable rebuild for several years.

And I assume your Thermostart is working properly.

 

[bmaverick]

Thanks for the welcome and information, I will try the lighter oil in winter. I live in Alaska so everything I can do to make easier starting in the winter helps! Hoyt told me the ym1100d has too shallow of water jacket holes to use any coolant block heater but I thought I would check here to see if anyone else has found otherwise. Or maybe a heater in the radiator return line?

Matt

Matt, Are you in the arctic circle or lower? I have friends in Kotzebue, it is fricking cold there.

For oils, yes, the 5W30 is the winter use. Does well for +70F to lower into the -minus temps. Depending on where you live, this may be the only oil grade to use for you.

Engine size wise, your YM1110 is a 2-cly sort of like the JD650.

Here are the 2 known oil to temp charts I'm aware of.







ALSO, for the hydraulic fluid, do not use the JD-303. In some states it's banned for the past 45 years. There is something rather toxic to both humans and animals in the 303 fluid. I've searched for an MSDS on the 303, but it's sooooo old, nothing turns up. It can not be recycled either.

John Deere for the Yanmar engines of our era are to use J20C in it's place. One can find an MSDS for it.

Look for fluids that clearly state that they meet current fluid specifications and are recommended for use in equipment that specify: John Deere J20C, Case New Holland MAT 3525, Kubota UDT, Massey Ferguson M-1145, Dension HF-0 or other OEM specifications outlined in owner’s manual.

- Ask to see a Product Data Sheet on the fluid. A top quality THF that claims John Deere J20C performance will meet the following typical specifications: Viscosity 9.1cSt min. @ 100°C, Brookfield Viscosity @-35°C <70,000cP (a lower number is better), Pour Point
-33°F max., (a lower number is better), the Viscosity Index (VI) should be 130 minimum (a higher number is better).

 

[bmaverick]

Matt,

Found the link once again for the John Deere J20C hydraulic fluid that works in the YM/F/FX series of Yanmar tractors. Starts on page 11 or search in PDF for the word ... compact

https://jdparts.deere.com/partsmkt/document/english/featbene/FluidCapacitiesTurfEquipment.pdf

Now, there is a low-viscosity J20D for much colder climates like ALASKA and northern CANADIAN territories in the winter time.

From the Deere On-line Service Manuals at http://manuals.deere.com
(Too many compact tractors in our Yanmar era to list each page.)

 

[California]

... for the hydraulic fluid, do not use the JD-303. In some states it's banned for the past 45 years. There is something rather toxic to both humans and animals in the 303 fluid. I've searched for an MSDS on the 303, but it's sooooo old, nothing turns up. It can not be recycled either.

John Deere for the Yanmar engines of our era are to use J20C in it's place

303 is rather toxic? Can't be recycled? Where can I read more about this?

There's no available spec, or clone, for 303 because it contained now-unobtainable whale oil - per Soundguy. (One of the old timers that founded this group before he went on to 8N's and larger). And posts in some of the oil-related forums claim it's made from what's left over after making better stuff. That's probably true. But for some simple applications like a log splitter that's harmless, with the caveat that its single grade so not suitable for a cold climate. Yanmar for the YM's, and others of that era, specified a long warmup probably to get the stuff circulating.

When I bough my backhoe in 2007 I drained it and refilled with 303. Its not causing any problem that I can see. Last year I used a suction gun and took a sample off the bottom of its reservoir expecting I might see crud or water but the fluid looked as good as new so I cancelled my plan to replace it.

I use multigrade Tractor Supply Traveller J20C compliant in my Yanmar with Powershift, but cheap 303 in the manual transmission YM240 which isn't operated in cold weather. 40 years of that hasn't seemed to hurt it.

I've read that some state's consumer agencies have tested 303 and found poor quality in some batches. It clearly isn't suitable for a demanding application, hydrostatic transmission, wet brakes etc. But the old Yanmars in our typical hobby-farmer applications seem to just need some sort of fluid to operate the hydraulics and I don't think quality matters much for this simple application. Commercial service? Yes, for that step up to name brand quality!

 

[bmaverick]

303 is rather toxic? Can't be recycled? Where can I read more about this?

There's no available spec, or clone, for 303 because it contained now-unobtainable whale oil - per Soundguy. (One of the old timers that founded this group before he went on to 8N's and larger). And posts in some of the oil-related forums claim it's made from what's left over after making better stuff. That's probably true. But for some simple applications like a log splitter that's harmless, with the caveat that its single grade so not suitable for a cold climate. Yanmar for the YM's, and others of that era, specified a long warmup probably to get the stuff circulating.

When I bough my backhoe in 2007 I drained it and refilled with 303. Its not causing any problem that I can see. Last year I used a suction gun and took a sample off the bottom of its reservoir expecting I might see crud or water but the fluid looked as good as new so I cancelled my plan to replace it.

I use multigrade Tractor Supply Traveller J20C compliant in my Yanmar with Powershift, but cheap 303 in the manual transmission YM240 which isn't operated in cold weather. 40 years of that hasn't seemed to hurt it.

I've read that some state's consumer agencies have tested 303 and found poor quality in some batches. It clearly isn't suitable for a demanding application, hydrostatic transmission, wet brakes etc. But the old Yanmars in our typical hobby-farmer applications seem to just need some sort of fluid to operate the hydraulics and I don't think quality matters much for this simple application. Commercial service? Yes, for that step up to name brand quality!

Wow, another application of whale oil in the JD303. Wonder what the replacement stuff is in the 303 brands today? I would laugh if it was just re-branded J20C.

Likewise, I bought the store brand J20C from Farm & Fleet. TSC is an hour away and F&F is just up the road.

Even though Fredricks did a total restore/rebuild of the tractor, Talking with them, they flush out the hydraulics with diesel as the Yanmars were put to use in rice paddies. They then refill with the good J20C store branded stuff too. After 2 years, I changed the fluid. It was all black like Jed finding Texas tea. This was expected. I've check the fluid just before winter and it's still clean and clear.

Glad the OP can pick J20D too being up in the colder realms of Alaska. I really can't afford swapping fluids twice a year when it takes 19-quarts! Southern-WI sees 102F down to -4F typically in a year. J20C works very well in that range.

Now we know of 2 YM-Series Yanmars in Alaska. The one on the TV show and this one. :thumbsup: