Snobdds
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I thought he was pretty spot on...
Particulate filter delete
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I thought he was pretty spot on...
Grumpycat
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Urea (not capitalized) is used by the SCR (not DPF) to reduce NOx. Not related to DPF, soot, C2.
One thing not mentioned is how a turbocharger is necessary to implement modern diesel emission controls. Direct injection was touched upon. Those two things are required to keep the combustion within the narrow range necessary for other emissions things to work. And by applying this greater control many get greater efficiency. EGR is another thing that has to be controlled but it doesn't help efficiency.
EGR is not such a bad thing but the exhaust has to be cooled before it can reenter the intake. This "heat exchanger" has not been trouble free in street applications.
tomt574
Bronze Member
Actually you are only part correct. Edge, H&S, Bully Dog,..etc all have gotten around this issue because it stated off road use only. I have deleted all my Diesel trucks after owning 2 that gave nothing but trouble do to EGR and DPF emission systems. This is nothing but a political money grab and a nightmare for equipment. You are correct that they were slapped with fines. Edge and H&S but both now sell under off road use only. At the end of the day it is a shame that this crap has now made its way on to Tractors.
RandyT
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The thing is off road equipment is not exempt, and as of 2010 neither is the end consumer. Unless the fines have gone up it was $3850/day to the consumer. Just because it isn't being enforced now doesn't mean it won't be in the future. Removing emissions control items by doing a delete is classified the same way as removing the catalytic converter for a gas engine automobile
marchanna
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In Ontario Canada, they have a law that allows law enforcement to do a road side vehicle seizure if your vehicle has been performance modified. So any tuning box automatically qualifies you for your vehicle to be confiscated. The law does not discriminate between vehicles registered in or out of province.
tomt574
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I will have to agree to disagree because off road vehicles can be exempt. Have you ever seen a dragster with a catalytic converter or race car..ETC.. My 2012 Cummins is completely deleted with H&S however it stated on purchase for off road use only. Is it legal no. Do I care. NO. I would rather have something that will last vs destroy it with the EGR, DPF system. Now I have also a 2019 Duramax that I have not deleted only because to delete it would cost about 6k. Maybe in the future but not now. It is a shame that we now have to deal with this on these small diesel engine tractors. As soon as I can figure out how to delete the one on this 2020 TYM it will be gone. These devices are not helping the "carbon foot print" they are only adding to it. Guess that's what eats on me.
RandyT
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Just give it time. Now required for Rally cars in the USA, and all racing in Europe.
tomt574
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Yeah man thats crazy. Have nascar with cats...lol
finn1
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Beginning last fall, the epa has been going after the 鍍uners with big fines and cease and desist orders. There is no such thing as getting around the laws by putting an off road only sticker on a controller to skirt the law anymore.
Many of the tuners have withdrawn from the market after receiving huge fines.
Many of the tuners have withdrawn from the market after receiving huge fines.