Right to Repair.

[LouNY]

Your on the wrong side of history though.....

Sorry, Right to Repair Advocates: You may be right, but John Deere is on the Winning Side of History — Janzen Ag Law

Interesting article, but I believe he is looking at many of his points in the wrong way.
I have assembled and repaired many computers, my desktop unit is an assembled one,
the laptop I am using right I have increased the memory on, replaced the hard drive, and replaced the keyboard
as it was malfunctioning, a power switch and the battery.
My previous phone had been sent to a repair shop for a new screen and a new battery.
I'm looking at a dongle and software to access my 2015 RAMs computer system if I keep the truck as long as I usually do.
So his two prime examples I have and do repair or modify even though He seems to think people don't.
I do not subscribe to the replace rather then repair philosophy.

Also history is never done but always evolving.

 

[ericm979]

Ericm979, curious why you say that our CUTS are not subject to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act? In what way are they not "consumer products", and we not "consumers" buying them for personal use? :shocked:

My mistake. It's the state lemon laws that generally don't apply to tractors, not the Magnuson-Moss act. Kinda close but not the same.

 

[ericm979]

Your on the wrong side of history though.....

Sorry, Right to Repair Advocates: You may be right, but John Deere is on the Winning Side of History — Janzen Ag Law

That article confuses software copy protection with the right to repair, and has inaccurate and inflammatory statements about owners "hacking into" software, and that right to repair somehow would prevent companies from updating software. None of that is true.

It is however easier for the manufacturer to design their software with the assumption that only dealers will be doing maintenance. That lets them put less engineering effort into those parts of the system, because they can assume the people using those interfaces have a certain level of training. But the main reason for locking out the customer is to increase profits and drive customers to the dealer network.

 

[aczlan]

But the main reason for locking out the customer is to increase profits and drive customers to the dealer network.

Or to force the customers to pay Deere a subscription for their diagnostic software...

Aaron Z

 

[The Fred]

So a guy buys a Porsche or Mercedes then complains about the price of proper servicing?

Too funny to read stupid posts from a bunch of conservative tractor owners.

Start buying proper tooling to fix these cars and computers then you won't complain so much, Mercedes gets $30K for a legit PC setup and a subscription/license to use it.

As a business owner who does fix these cars for a living I say this, I didn't BUY it, BUILD it or BREAK it. No PAY UP!!

Ive seen more cheap folks screw up high end cars with cheap Chinese Amazon crap parts and no knowledge or tooling to repair them properly.

I could just imagine about 1/2 of you folks with a laptop and a hammer trying to fix a tier 4 machine with no or little understanding how they work.

Better yet bring your tractor to Autozone for a free scan by an unqualified parts seller who tells you the oxygen sensor is bad so you buy one and guess what? The problem is still there!

 

[BrokenTrack]

That is silly talk: what exactly is "proper servicing" anyway?

It is MY tractor, how little, or how intensive I service it is up to me. Either way there is a price, and it is up to me to decide where that fine line is.

But I see people as getting better at repairs. It seems like everyone I talk to lately says the same thing, and does the same thing I do...they turn to youtube to see how to fix whatever is broke, and then save money by doing it themselves.

My mantra has always been: Do as much for myself as I can", and it has really saved me some serious money.

John Deere's argument amounts to saying: "Getting rid of Autozone will save thousands of people per year in automotive deaths"...and that is just plain silly talk.

 

[Renze]

When a company tells me that they don't support something they sold a few short years ago and imply I should buy a new one. I say, I guess in that case I won't be buying anything from you again, and pretty much hang up.

A guy i know had a Maxxum 5140 which broke a transmission pressure sensor. Since the original Maxxum was taken out of production in 1996 which was 20 years ago, CNH had no legal obligation to sell spares anymore. He had to buy a sensor from a wrecker for 3000 euro, then traded it for a New Holland T6030.

If CNH pulled me that joke, i would never own a CNH product again.

John Deere is winning market share here. Dependability of after sales support is their merit.

 

[CobyRupert]

In the 70's and 80's, I'd hear about farmers putting a straight pipe on their John Deere and breaking the seal to turn up the screw on the fuel pump...
....John Deere's reputation didn't seem to suffer and the company stayed in business.

 

[5030]

So a guy buys a Porsche or Mercedes then complains about the price of proper servicing?

Too funny to read stupid posts from a bunch of conservative tractor owners.

Start buying proper tooling to fix these cars and computers then you won't complain so much, Mercedes gets $30K for a legit PC setup and a subscription/license to use it.

As a business owner who does fix these cars for a living I say this, I didn't BUY it, BUILD it or BREAK it. No PAY UP!!

Ive seen more cheap folks screw up high end cars with cheap Chinese Amazon crap parts and no knowledge or tooling to repair them properly.

I could just imagine about 1/2 of you folks with a laptop and a hammer trying to fix a tier 4 machine with no or little understanding how they work.

Better yet bring your tractor to Autozone for a free scan by an unqualified parts seller who tells you the oxygen sensor is bad so you buy one and guess what? The problem is still there!

My wife has a cat named Fred and you and the cat have a lot in common....

 

[5030]

Or to force the customers to pay Deere a subscription for their diagnostic software...

Aaron Z

If that is even possible. I don't believe it is presently. Like Kubota with their common rail Tier 4 final ECM controlled engines (drive by wire), you cannot access them without the Diagmaster and only a Kubota authorized dealer can purchase one. Even the access ports are non standard unlike the OBD port on an automobile. Basically, with the new Kubota Tier 4 final engines, the only thing an end user can do is change the fluids and filters. Thats it and with JD, on the larger powered AG tractors, the ECM monitors the oil filter restriction and tells you when to change the filters and the filters must be JD to comply with the ECM's ability to monitor them. Additionally, the tractor's ECM sends a data link signal to the dealer so they are also in the 'loop'.

I know that sound crazy but it's true. My buddy down the road has a huge operation and runs only leased Deere's and he showed me right on the tractor dash. Of course I had to climb up 10 feet to get in the cab....lol Remember, all the big JD's run Green Star GPS so the data link is always operational. The dealer gets to play 'big brother' 24-7. You don't own a JD, you lease the right to the software to run the tractor, or combine or spray rig or whatever.

He likes my little Kubota's. Only 90 horsepower....lol. I'd never own a late model green tractor but then neither would I own an orange or a red or blue on either. They all have one glaring fault. They all are Tier 4 final electronic control.

.... and Tier 5 is coming... Be scared, very scared.