Corona Virus #8

[hawkeye08]

Regarding the Navy commander... https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/theres_another_side_to_the_story_of_the_fired_navy_captain.html. He was fired for not following chain of command...

 

[rswyan]

Thank you the link.

My pleasure.

His rationale for not (normalizing) using per 100,000 does not make sense unless you want to make small countries look better than others...or countries that do little testing to look better.

He gave his rationale ... and based on that it makes sense for the intended audience - at least from his perspective.

The intended audience is not the professional healthcare or scientific community but rather the general public ... a significant number of which have downplayed or utterly ignored the risks.

I don't believe it is a competition between countries ... except for those that might have an agenda.

Of course, there once was a fellow who thought this:

"I think we are over complicating things regarding mortality rates. It is going to be near impossible to determine the denominator. So look at the deaths...PERIOD.

It would be interesting to know deaths /100,000 of population in Wuhan for the last ten years at this time of the year. Compare that with statistics from this year.

It is relatively simple to determine if there is a statistically significant difference.

KISS...but that may either scare the heck out of people...or not play into whatever narrative is being pushed.

For example, if ten year average is 1000/100,000 and current is 1300/100,000...no big deal...at least to me. If current is 4000.....

How simple is that!!!"

But his thinking on the matter appears to have evolved somewhat.

He wants to dramatize the numbers...typical tactic to encourage fear mongering to sway and fool the more ignorant.

Or he's motivated out of concern for his fellow man ... some of whom don't appear - or didn't appear - to be taking the threat seriously.

IT's comments are also germane.

Certainly ...

 

[shooterdon]

Actually rswyan, my thinking has not evolved that much. I am still looking at the number of deaths and how insignificant those are relative to historical numbers.

It is going to be near impossible to know the infection rate...at least in time for it to matter; or the mortality rate until it is nearly over. Even the models used a few weeks ago are being revised and updated as this unfolds. No one really know...no one.

IMO Fauci is focused on saving lives he is not focused on the consequences of our country being destroyed economically. But it cannot be only about saving lives from this virus. Fauci does not want his memorial to be "He was instrumental in allowing 250k more lives to be lost to save the economy" A leader needs to be able to make that call but that leader needs someone like Fauci to tell him what that number is ...if it "only" 250k? Then it is a hard but simple decision...back to work America...we are accepting an increase of less than 10% in deaths.

We are 8500 deaths....the only number than matters...the stock market has fallen almost 30% and we are wasting 2.2 trillion on a stimulus package (with more to come if we listen to the congress critters). The price of life may be too high. We lost 100,000 in the N3H2 of 1968 and no one wrung their hands in despair.

Again...just trying to put things in perspective.

BTW, my son's fiancé works in a hospital in NYC and has come down with this thing. My family has not been unaffected, but I will not let that cloud the reality of the damage this is causing to my country.

 

[RSR]

I will continue to monitor deaths as the most reasonable measure of how bad things are and our status. I am fairly certain the number of deaths are being exaggerated to increase funding, resources, and fuel the panic (except those in China which are likely much higher).

I worry it's just the opposite. There is already some compelling data coming out that deaths are underestimated because so many are dying without being able to be tested, or dying outside hospitals.

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported - WSJ

 

[lman]

I would think apartment buildings, and condos with shared entries, stairwells, and elevators would be a high risk place to be. No way to keep the separation required by social distancing. As well as the potential common areas touched, even inadvertantly.

Then the public transportation.

If you look at the situation in NYC, that would answer your question.

 

[wheelbuilder]

I took a look at the health departments in the 3 counties around me and see some odd numbers. Here I calculate that 90 percent of those tested for covid-19 are negative. Sounds good at first glance, but it makes me wonder what's so wrong with that 90 percent that they thought they had this bug ? Regular flu ? What ?

Looking at counties down around NYC, the positive test rate is about 45-50 percent.

 

[RandyT]

I took a look at the health departments in the 3 counties around me and see some odd numbers. Here I calculate that 90 percent of those tested for covid-19 are negative. Sounds good at first glance, but it makes me wonder what's so wrong with that 90 percent that they thought they had this bug ? Regular flu ? What ?

Looking at counties down around NYC, the positive test rate is about 45-50 percent.

There has also been talk that 1 out of 3 test is a false negative,

 

[rswyan]

I worry it's just the opposite. There is already some compelling data coming out that deaths are underestimated because so many are dying without being able to be tested, or dying outside hospitals.

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported - WSJ

Yup ...

 

[Fuddy1952]

I posted this on another forum, never got a satisfactory answer. This makes no sense to me. Wuhan is where it started and 11,000,000+ people are living there closer proximity than in NYC.



Curious why the death rates are so high in Italy and Spain?!?

After all, the virus STARTED in Wuhan, China. Wuhan's population is 11 million alone! China's population is 1.4 billion!!!

Spain's population is 46.7 million and yet the death rate (so far!) in Spain is three times that of China!

The virus has had more time to spread at the source (China) before migrating to Europe. Any ideas why this is?

 

[Steppenwolfe]

I posted this on another forum, never got a satisfactory answer. This makes no sense to me. Wuhan is where it started and 11,000,000+ people are living there closer proximity than in NYC.



Curious why the death rates are so high in Italy and Spain?!?

After all, the virus STARTED in Wuhan, China. Wuhan's population is 11 million alone! China's population is 1.4 billion!!!

Spain's population is 46.7 million and yet the death rate (so far!) in Spain is three times that of China!

The virus has had more time to spread at the source (China) before migrating to Europe. Any ideas why this is?View attachment 649202

Perhaps ???, this is an engineered virus, attacking only certain compatible DNA receptors, that are only found in non-Asian peoples? :confused3: