Skeans1
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Look around a little they do it up in the lake states a few minutes of searching I found both a dry and a green cord to ton conversion.
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Look around a little they do it up in the lake states a few minutes of searching I found both a dry and a green cord to ton conversion.
Most wood here is bought by weight, but there is considerable variation depending on time of year and how long between the wood was cut and how long it was trucked. In summer they want it within 2 weeks of being cut, and of course logs will spoil if they lay around much longer than that. As I pointed out before firewood is a pretty low value product, not many producers want to find a set of scales to run across twice. Usually they want to get paid before leaving the load.
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They call them poulan, because when you try to start them you keep poulan & poulan & poulan!
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I wouldn't even trust volume if you want to be specific with firewood. I never paid attention with my small 1/3-cord stacks in years past, but when I built and loaded my woodshed I stacked about 6' high. In the first year, the stack height dropped by over 12". The other dimensions were constrained, so only height changed. That's a 17+% reduction in volume! Some may be due to the stacks settling, but I expect most of it is due to the wood shrinking as it seasons.
The only reason I noticed was when I was showing a neighbor who was building his own shed. He asked why I hadn't stacked firewood all the way up to the rafters, and I did a double take. Not only had I stacked to the rafters, I had also filled in between rafters, up to the roof metal. Well, the stacks dropped so much it looked like I stopped a foot short of the rafters.
For years prior, I stacked everything in 1/3-cord racks and never noticed, but I am sure it happened there too. Without a fixed roof, I never had a reference to judge the height of the stacks over time.
Anyhow, I think there's a big difference between a green cord and seasoned cord whether you judge by volume or weight. If selling firewood, sell your cords green! If buying firewood, buy your cords seasoned!
The only reason I noticed was when I was showing a neighbor who was building his own shed. He asked why I hadn't stacked firewood all the way up to the rafters, and I did a double take. Not only had I stacked to the rafters, I had also filled in between rafters, up to the roof metal. Well, the stacks dropped so much it looked like I stopped a foot short of the rafters.
For years prior, I stacked everything in 1/3-cord racks and never noticed, but I am sure it happened there too. Without a fixed roof, I never had a reference to judge the height of the stacks over time.
Anyhow, I think there's a big difference between a green cord and seasoned cord whether you judge by volume or weight. If selling firewood, sell your cords green! If buying firewood, buy your cords seasoned!
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Ninety percent of wood stacks is half voids.
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I’m about tired of hearing that. Like it or not that’s the term in my area.
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Wood measurement makes sense that it is by whatever is used locally so comparisons can be made. If one person sells it by face cord*, another by rick*, another by full cord it would confuse the public.
*even though generally the same
*even though generally the same
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Most sell or buy wood around here by the cord. Another way a lot of people get wood is but the log truck. I have been told that is somewhere between 4-6 cords, but I don't know for sure I have never gotten a log truck load before.
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THey must be small trucks. When I send a load it usually has about 8-10 cords on.
Actually mine starts quite easily. I had forgotten that I even owned it and it set in back of the wood shed for a year and a half; I dumped gas in it and it started right up. Luckily I had drained the gas before leaving it there.
I've mentioned this before, a cord of hardwood has about 85-90 cubic feet of solid wood; softwood about 95 to 100.
THey must be small trucks. When I send a load it usually has about 8-10 cords on.
Actually mine starts quite easily. I had forgotten that I even owned it and it set in back of the wood shed for a year and a half; I dumped gas in it and it started right up. Luckily I had drained the gas before leaving it there.
I've mentioned this before, a cord of hardwood has about 85-90 cubic feet of solid wood; softwood about 95 to 100.
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In the State of Maine, it is against the law to sell wood by the cord. It either has to be by the Load, or by Weight.
This presents a problem because most people want to buy x-amount of cords of wood. We cannot sell wood like that, so we load on what the person wants for "cords" and then sell them the load of wood. We move so much wood though, that when we say it is...say...6 cords...it really is 6 cords. You just know how much wood is on the truck by how far up the stakes the wood sits.
Myself, I always thought buying or selling wood by weight was way off, so one time I cut and measured a load of 8 foot hemlock pulp. It measured up by the stick at 13.4 cords. After it rolled into the mill, the scale slip by weight said; 13.2 cords...2/10ths of a cord off what I measured...that was pretty darn accurate I thought, so I never complained after wood by weight after that.
On mixed loads, it gets a lot more variable, but it all equals out. If I cut a pure beech for a load, it will weigh up as if it is 11.2 cords, but if a load of pure popil goes in, it might only be 8.5 cords. Along the way, I have got paid an average of the two.
The only time it gets unfair, and that is; unfair to the paper mill, is in the Spring when loads of wood are teeming with mud. That really adds up, but then again, its nice to get a little more money for slogging through the mud. I really, really, really hate logging in the mud. But the paper mills know this, and could stop taking wood in the spring, but they need wood, so they buy it.
This presents a problem because most people want to buy x-amount of cords of wood. We cannot sell wood like that, so we load on what the person wants for "cords" and then sell them the load of wood. We move so much wood though, that when we say it is...say...6 cords...it really is 6 cords. You just know how much wood is on the truck by how far up the stakes the wood sits.
Myself, I always thought buying or selling wood by weight was way off, so one time I cut and measured a load of 8 foot hemlock pulp. It measured up by the stick at 13.4 cords. After it rolled into the mill, the scale slip by weight said; 13.2 cords...2/10ths of a cord off what I measured...that was pretty darn accurate I thought, so I never complained after wood by weight after that.
On mixed loads, it gets a lot more variable, but it all equals out. If I cut a pure beech for a load, it will weigh up as if it is 11.2 cords, but if a load of pure popil goes in, it might only be 8.5 cords. Along the way, I have got paid an average of the two.
The only time it gets unfair, and that is; unfair to the paper mill, is in the Spring when loads of wood are teeming with mud. That really adds up, but then again, its nice to get a little more money for slogging through the mud. I really, really, really hate logging in the mud. But the paper mills know this, and could stop taking wood in the spring, but they need wood, so they buy it.