CEL DPF

[todd92]

It does on the trucks in its database. The Kioti would fall under 'generic'. If it works on the Kioti it should read and clear all codes. It might initiate forced regens. This assumes that Kioti hasn't figured out some magical encryption that only the dealers scanner can unlock. I was able to get my OBD2 scanner to communicate, it just wouldn't show the code, so I'm doubting that is the case.

Edit: For laughs I disconnected the battery overnight and touched the positive to negative, of course it did nothing. Maybe this worked on a car in 1995? It hasn't worked on anything I've ever tried it on, yet people still believe it works.

 

[JimR]

My OBD2 scanner can read all the engine running details. It can reset generic soft codes and tell you how many there are. It will not tell you what they are. Hopefully your HD will, but I doubt it very much from what my mechanic at the dealership told me. I watched him scanning my tractor on one occasion and he was using their software program.

 

[todd92]

My dealer tells me the same, in addition they claim that they have to link to Kioti's server to do anything. For $100 I'm willing to give the HD scanner a shot. I dropped it off today, last time they cleared the code and forced a regen I was there for an hour. This time they claim it's hard to get a hold of Kioti due to COVID so I had to leave it. This should not be this difficult.

 

[The Fred]

I can help you with code descriptions if you can pull them.

 

[The Fred]

It does on the trucks in its database. The Kioti would fall under 'generic'. If it works on the Kioti it should read and clear all codes. It might initiate forced regens. This assumes that Kioti hasn't figured out some magical encryption that only the dealers scanner can unlock. I was able to get my OBD2 scanner to communicate, it just wouldn't show the code, so I'm doubting that is the case.

Edit: For laughs I disconnected the battery overnight and touched the positive to negative, of course it did nothing. Maybe this worked on a car in 1995? It hasn't worked on anything I've ever tried it on, yet people still believe it works.

If the battery is disconnected on an Asian car the fault codes will still be there but the readiness monitors will be erased. On any European car the readiness monitors are saved if the battery gets disconnected.

Pre-OBD cars before 96 (depending on makes) would wipe everything when the power was down in the ECM.

 

[justman777]

My dealer tells me the same, in addition they claim that they have to link to Kioti's server to do anything. For $100 I'm willing to give the HD scanner a shot. I dropped it off today, last time they cleared the code and forced a regen I was there for an hour. This time they claim it's hard to get a hold of Kioti due to COVID so I had to leave it. This should not be this difficult.

Seems super sketchy they would need to get in touch with Kioti for such a simple thing as resetting a CEL. I agree on the $100 for the HD scanner. If it winds up working, it's way cheaper than loading up the tractor and hauling it every time you need a CEL code reset.

 

[rademamj1]

It just seems so useless, for the local Kioti dealer, is required to login into the Kioti servers, just to reset system codes and clear a CEL. Even doing a forced regen should be totally independent of the servers.

Tractors breakdown in the field many times, and running diagnostic software from a stand-alone laptop, on location should be a necessary goal of every tractor manufacturer and its dealers.

 

[justman777]

It just seems so useless, for the local Kioti dealer, is required to login into the Kioti servers, just to reset system codes and clear a CEL. Even doing a forced regen should be totally independent of the servers.

Tractors breakdown in the field many times, and running diagnostic software from a stand-alone laptop, on location should be a necessary goal of every tractor manufacturer and its dealers.

I think the bigger issue is the dealer having to contact technical support to figure out how to resolve an issue. Smaller dealers may not have trained (skilled) technicians, so they have to call Kioti support every time they have an issue that isn't entirely visible....like a blown tire, oil change, or broke window. I was dealing with my dealer on my suction side air leak (nope, still not resolved) and the dealer had to call Kioti support to see what the recommend solution was. The response was underwhelming, and went something like "Sounds like you have a suction side air leak. Recommend inspecting and repair." If that's the extent of Kioti support, it's a wonder anything gets fixed.

 

[bearthebruce]

I don't know Kioti but as I work for a company (Ross-Tech) that makes diagnostic tools for VAG cars, I can concur that an OBD2 reader is not likely to read all codes. OBD2 is a auto standard for emissions systems only. It does not cover HD trucks and by extension I am guessing it will not cover Ag machines. It does cover smaller trucks like pickup trucks and so on. (Unless things have recently changed, and I am not aware. That too is a possibility. )

Likely, clearing all codes on your Kioti's will require the manufacturer's diagnostic tool. I can understand your frustration!

So what I am learning, being new in the Ag Equipment lane, is there are no aftermarket diagnostic tools for Ag machines. This is just like it was back when we started. Anyone in the aftermarket who wanted to repair for themselves or do it without a dealer, was left to sink in their tears as they found they could not do it. The owner of our business wanted to work on his '97 GTi and found he could do nothing without a factory level tool - OBD did not give enough info by design. Sounds like the same state those in the Ag machine use find themselves.

I can't say if we are going to do anything. But, if you care to share with me what it is costing you and what you might consider paying for a tool, it might help us to think about where to go. PhantomofHeat has told me he thinks the ECU for the engines on Kioti machines are similar to the VAG controllers. That would be a great entree into this for us.

Understand, we are not talking about selling a couple thousand dollar tool - not our style. If we are gonna do something like this, then we have to see a way for us to recover our costs on a device that sells for less than $1000 USD and preferably far less than that number. None of us working land has the coin to spend thousands on a diagnostic tool. Our model would be to use a PC as a platform. We would figure out the interface by which we could electronically connect. Then we would have to reverse engineer what Kioti does to talk to the controllers. That's where the big cost comes in.

Mind, we are located outside of Philly. How many tractors do you think we see in the suburbs of Philly? Who will bring one and leave it for months.. There are other ways... but, my point is that like you, we have to have a business model that works.

If you have things you wish to discuss... PM me. I don't think we want this discussion in the open forum where Kioti and others may see it. Maybe the forum admins would consider a private area? You guys have been here a lot longer than I have been. I am a novice in all the Ag gear and your problems.. I am just learning about such problems which my guess is you have lived for the better part of 10 years.

Thank you for letting me be part of the discussion.

-Bruce

 

[todd92]

I had VAG Com for my 2016 Golf R, great tool. I have Bimmercode now for the 2019 BMW 330ix that replaced the VW, very similar. My understanding is the Kioti ECU is made by Delphi.