Has anyone seen any deals due to this pandemic?

[LugButt]

Has anyone seen John Deere Series 3 deals?

 

[rush389]

Take it from a farmer- you are always better off buying a vehicle (or piece of equipment) that is made to handle a load in its base form than a lighter duty vehicle beefed up to handle the same load.
The 150 may have overload springs, but the 3/4 ton usually has bigger brakes, bigger rims & higher weight rating tires, heavier frame, larger axles, bigger torque converter, bigger steering box and front end components and probably a heavier duty engine.
I constantly hear guys bragging up these small displacement engines as having the same HP as a bigger 5.3L or 6L GM gas engine. The smaller Ford eco boost engines are nice and economical, but they don稚 have the rotating mass of the bigger, heavier engines. Theyæ±*e not built to take the rigors of hauling heavy loads. Then thereç—´ the stopping power aspect. A 5,000lb 1/2 ton truck will not stop a load as well as a 3/4 ton 6,500lb truck.

Compromise elsewhere

That makes sense for a farmer or for anyone else that uses their truck daily at full capacity. For someone like myself that might hook up a travel trailer four times a year, the extra payload capacity of the heavy F150 might have made sense, because you're talking 20-30% better fuel economy and still getting a truck that can handle the load you are putting on it.

Doesn't matter to me either way, i wound up with a 2500HD, it's a great truck and I'll probably pick up a little Jeep to use as a daily here soon. But if I were someone looking to tow a travel trailer with a family of four and a couple of dogs, a heavy F150 would be on my list - assuming you can find one.

 

[Hay Dude]

I'm no economist but I think the new vehicle prices are overdue for a market correction. I know I can't afford one. 60 grand for an F150? Gimme a break! I can buy a lot of repairs on my old truck for that kind of money and I still love driving it.

On the tractor front I have started seeing a few good deals on used equipment even at the dealerships. THAT doesn't make sense to me while some buyers are running scared of the emission tractors.

Supply & Demand.
1/2 ton trucks are WILDLY popular. Therefore, the demand is so high they can be overpriced and still sell millions of them.

 

[Hay Dude]

With bigger trucks you are spot on with bigger brakes, bigger suspension, heavier diff etc that stuff is what really matters when hauling weight around. To be fair when comparing some of these 1/2 tons to 3/4 tons today not counting engines just the truck the 1/2 tons are much closer then they used to be.

Now where I will differ is in motor. I have owened the 3.5 ecoboost, chevy 5.3, ford 5.0 and the ram 5.7. From my experience numbers wise not only does the ecoboost out perform but it did in real life as well. I would disagree that they arent built to handle load. For starters the 3.5 weighs 449lbs, Ford 5.o weighs 430 and chevy 5.3 weighs 476lbs. Your really not talking about engines that are that different in size. But yes size of heads matter, amount of pistons, etc. You also could have a point where forced induction will prematurely kill the engine compared to an NA engine, and yeah thats possible. But with that said these ecoboost engines have been on the market now for a decade and have been relatively issue free and have been proven if you go out and look at some of the date. Now if your talking about buying a truck thats a 3/4 ton with a diesel and plan on beating it for 200-300k miles you may have a point. But if you are talking about the average driver doing 12-15k a year keeping a vehicle for 5-6 years the ecoboost will do just fine.

I don’t want a small displacement forced induction engine for anything other than minimal frequency heavy towing or frequent lower weight towing. And that might be your sweet spot.
The GM 6L is a heavy duty light truck gas engine and it will do better than a 3.5L eco boost for true truck useage. For driving around mostly unloaded, ecoboost

 

[rademamj1]

Despite being in a temporary recession, its a sellers market for pickups.. Assisted by 0% financing for up to 84 months, U.S. sales of pickups are outselling SUV's and sedans for the first time ever in history.

J.D. Power reports sales of large pickups to begin this month were only off 1% compared to pre-pandemic forecasts. Furthermore, the continued demand for large pickups could soon turn into a supply and demand problem due to factory closures. Inventory on dealers lots are actually lowest in three years. You may get steals and deals on cars and SUV's , but pickups and tractors appear to show consistent demand.

 

[nards444]

I don’t want a small displacement forced induction engine for anything other than minimal frequency heavy towing or frequent lower weight towing. And that might be your sweet spot.
The GM 6L is a heavy duty light truck gas engine and it will do better than a 3.5L eco boost for true truck useage. For driving around mostly unloaded, ecoboost

Id agree if you are looking at industrial operations certain set ups are definitely require. I will say this though the Chevy 6.0 is due to be brought out back and shot much better NA engines out there. With that said if I was buying a heavy duty truck for daily heavy duty operations a gasser has no business in that truck and should get a diesel. Furthermore if you are doing high frequency towing a diesel is much better all around and might save you money eventually. I had a Diesel 2012 F250 getting 17mpg and 13-14 while towing and could tow a house where as my buddies 6.o chevy got 12mpg and less with towing and couldnt get out of its own way

 

[Jstpssng]

Nahhhh, the F150 is the weekend warrior truck. :laughing:

Yet they still have more payload and towing capacity than the F250 of years ago... and are more comfortable to ride in, to boot. Plus there's more iron in the frame than on an '80s vintage C-30, D3500, or F350. If somebody tows/carries on a regular basis then they can buy a heavier truck. To do so just because their neighbor down the road or some guy on an internet forum thinks they should doesn't make sense to me.

 

[nards444]

That makes sense for a farmer or for anyone else that uses their truck daily at full capacity. For someone like myself that might hook up a travel trailer four times a year, the extra payload capacity of the heavy F150 might have made sense, because you're talking 20-30% better fuel economy and still getting a truck that can handle the load you are putting on it.

Doesn't matter to me either way, i wound up with a 2500HD, it's a great truck and I'll probably pick up a little Jeep to use as a daily here soon. But if I were someone looking to tow a travel trailer with a family of four and a couple of dogs, a heavy F150 would be on my list - assuming you can find one.

I had a 2011 F150 with eco with the HD, then had a 2015 F150 with eco. The 2015 mentioned nothing of being heavy duty but had the same if not higher specs on everything the 2011 did. Did the package disappear and just become standard.

 

[Jstpssng]

I'm no economist but I think the new vehicle prices are overdue for a market correction. I know I can't afford one. 60 grand for an F150? Gimme a break! I can buy a lot of repairs on my old truck for that kind of money and I still love driving it.

On the tractor front I have started seeing a few good deals on used equipment even at the dealerships. THAT doesn't make sense to me while some buyers are running scared of the emission tractors.

You pay that, because it's what you want to pay. Base price on any of the big 3 for a 3/4 ton 4WD is below 36K. Base price on an extended cab 1/2 ton 4WD is a little less than that.
Those are MSRPs... generally you can buy them for less.

 

[rush389]

Id agree if you are looking at industrial operations certain set ups are definitely require. I will say this though the Chevy 6.0 is due to be brought out back and shot much better NA engines out there. With that said if I was buying a heavy duty truck for daily heavy duty operations a gasser has no business in that truck and should get a diesel. Furthermore if you are doing high frequency towing a diesel is much better all around and might save you money eventually. I had a Diesel 2012 F250 getting 17mpg and 13-14 while towing and could tow a house where as my buddies 6.o chevy got 12mpg and less with towing and couldnt get out of its own way

You buy a 6.0 GM truck because you want something that will do anything you ask of it and never break, and on the off chance it does break, it doesn't cost much to fix.

The repair costs associated with diesels are astronomical and all of them have emissions and fuel system issues. Yes, you can go faster up a hill with a diesel.

There is a reason that GM sold a ton of 6.0 trucks to corporate fleets and contractors.