Buying Advice How bad is no 3 point?

[wvgca]

I dunno .. the yard tractor, 30hp made in 1949, coop e3, doesn't have a 3pt hitch, and it works well ..;.
but the bigger tractors, a 140 hp fwa, and a 4wd 300 hp, both have 3 point hitches, but have never been used,
I have no 3pt hitch equipment at all, nothing ??

 

[Sawyer Rob]

How bad is no 3 point?

It's no big deal at all IF you don't need one...

The problem is, you ARE going to need one!!

SR

 

[5030]

It's no big deal at all IF you don't need one...

The problem is, you ARE going to need one!!

SR

EXACTLY.... My first tractor was a dual fuel (keroscene distallate) / gasoline Farmall Cultivision A that I restored and it didn't have a 3 point either though it did have an offset pto and I finally relegated it to running a Woods belly mower that was designed specifically for it. Mowed nice but did little else. Finally sold it and got my first real tractor with a 3 PH. Night and day difference.

 

[selkie]

The short answer? Don稚 buy it.

However I respect that is your choice to make and I知 not the type to say 的 told you so if you do.

I can't complain, I asked =)

And honestly, I'm glad people spoke openly and bluntly.

OK, another question. I've heard a lot of emphasis here on having a heavy enough tractor. Given that there are some hills here and that I want to plow areas that are currently sod, how much power (and weight) am I going to need? As Ricn mentioned, I'd rather have a little more power than I need than a little less, but I don't want to get a big machine just to say I have one. (I was looking at the 2020 because of the low price, not because I think I need something that size)

The larger lawn tractor here claims to be 23hp, which makes it hard for me to imagine a larger tractor with the same power rating being able to do what I'm imagining. I realize it's gas instead of diesel, and that gearing and general build play a role, but still...

 

[jeff9366]

OK, another question. I've heard a lot of emphasis here on having a heavy enough tractor. Given that there are some hills here and that I want to plow areas that are currently sod, how much power (and weight) am I going to need? As Ricn mentioned, I'd rather have a little more power than I need than a little less, but I don't want to get a big machine just to say I have one.

How much land do you want to work? 1 acre? 15 acres? 174 acres?

Are non-commercial gardening and residential landscaping your primary tasks?

How much time do you want to spend on your tractor? Tractors in residential use average 60 engine hours per year, according to industry surveys.

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When considering a tractor purchase bare tractor weight first, tractor horsepower second, rear axle width third, rear wheel/tire ballast fourth.

 

[fried1765]

I can't complain, I asked =)

And honestly, I'm glad people spoke openly and bluntly.

OK, another question. I've heard a lot of emphasis here on having a heavy enough tractor. Given that there are some hills here and that I want to plow areas that are currently sod, how much power (and weight) am I going to need? As Ricn mentioned, I'd rather have a little more power than I need than a little less, but I don't want to get a big machine just to say I have one. (I was looking at the 2020 because of the low price, not because I think I need something that size)

The larger lawn tractor here claims to be 23hp, which makes it hard for me to imagine a larger tractor with the same power rating being able to do what I'm imagining. I realize it's gas instead of diesel, and that gearing and general build play a role, but still...

You mention "hills here", but you have no location in your profile.
Please put your location in your profile, so we can know where "here" might be.

 

[selkie]

How much land do you want to work? 1 acre? 15 acres? 174 acres?

Are non-commercial gardening and residential landscaping your primary tasks?

How much time do you want to spend on your tractor? Tractors in residential use average 60 engine hours per year, according to industry surveys.

VIDEOS: Comparing Kubota's 26hp Compact Tractors - YouTube

So you want to TRADE UP for a new Tractor? - TMT - YouTube



When considering a tractor purchase bare tractor weight first, tractor horsepower second, rear axle width third, rear wheel/tire ballast fourth.

Thanks, that's helpful.

We have 5 acres here. It is an old family farm that had fallen into disuse decades ago.

Our goals are to clear land and bring it back into service as a family farm and homestead. Very little decorative landscaping beyond having some flowers here and there. Some grass, for the children to play on.

We live here (thankfully the farmhouse was in better shape than the land =) but I wouldn't really call what we have in mind residential use. It isn't realistic to cultivate all 5 acres here but I'd like to have at least an acre or two under cultivation at any given time.

So with that in mind, what kind of weight and horsepower do you recommend? I had previously been very interested in a JD 1050 or 1070, which seemed like a good balance of "enough" and "not too much". Those clock in at around 3000 pounds in 4x4 config, is that enough to pull a plow?

 

[rScotty]

I can't complain, I asked =)

And honestly, I'm glad people spoke openly and bluntly.

OK, another question. I've heard a lot of emphasis here on having a heavy enough tractor. Given that there are some hills here and that I want to plow areas that are currently sod, how much power (and weight) am I going to need? As Ricn mentioned, I'd rather have a little more power than I need than a little less, but I don't want to get a big machine just to say I have one. (I was looking at the 2020 because of the low price, not because I think I need something that size)

The larger lawn tractor here claims to be 23hp, which makes it hard for me to imagine a larger tractor with the same power rating being able to do what I'm imagining. I realize it's gas instead of diesel, and that gearing and general build play a role, but still...

You can plow fine with a little 15hp tractor. It just doesn't go very deep or very fast. It only pulls a little bitty plow and will take you days to do an acre. But plenty of people the world over use them. It works. And it takes forever.

A reasonable HP tractor for working the way most local folks want to work would be in the 30 to 50 hp range for working 10 to 20 acres with some hills. More power or less plow or more back and forth with a small plow if you are doing turf. Consider doing some disking or cultivating. Frankly if it is first time in some years I'd hire somebody with a big tractor to do an initial plowing.
After you get it buster-plowed, disc, and cultivate for a seed bed then you can maintain it each year with a smaller machine.

There are lots of good old tractors out there that will do what you want. Go out to farming country and ask around at the feed and seed store or the family breakfast restaurant. Look at the bulletin board and the local trader paper. Here we still use a 1958 John Deere late modele "B". It has 30 hp and more than enough power. Neighbors use a Farmall from the same era. Another neighbor hays with a Massey Ferguson 65. Another has an old Ford. Several have 1980 vintage big Masseys just because big old tractors are way cheaper than small old tractors!!

All of those mentioned have good 3pts, are easy to maintain & fix, loaders are available, and $3000 would buy any of them. And they will all be going strong - with maintenance - decades from now. Yes, several are gas rather than diesel. That's OK too.

Keep in mind that this TractorByNet Forum is focused on new and expensive compact-size imported diesel 4wd tractors.

There are some some old-timers here, but mostly here we talk about warranty, mowing grass, finance, and emission controls. Most TBNers think it is important to have a dealer available for doing required repairs and most maintenance. HST transmissions are very popular.

The world of modern small compact imported 4wd diesel machines is where things are happening now. It's fascinating to us, but it is a whole different world than the older US made farm machines like you are looking at.

Both new and old machines will do the job you want to do. Dirt doesn't care.
rScotty

 

[kthompson]

If you can find pull implements that do what you want you may find no need for a 3 pth. One pointed out he had no 3pth equipment and large tractors they are optional. I farmed for few years and used pulled implements as much as possible. Yes had some 3 pth ones but replaced all I could with pull type. Disk, sprayer, planter and box blade were all pull type and they are much smoother than those run on the hitch. Much of the hay equipment is also pull equipment. Doubt you would find a pull type tiller. Now can you find the equipment you would want in pull type for the hp of the 2020, no idea.

 

[jeff9366]

Thanks, that's helpful.

We have 5 acres with some hills. It is an old family farm that had fallen into disuse decades ago.

Our goals are to clear land and bring it back into service as a family farm and homestead. Very little decorative landscaping beyond having some flowers here and there. Some grass, for the children to play on.

I wouldn't call what we have in mind residential use. It isn't realistic to cultivate all 5 acres here but I'd like to have at least an acre or two under cultivation at any given time.

So with that in mind, what kind of weight and horsepower do you recommend? I had previously been very interested in a JD 1050 or 1070, which seemed like a good balance of "enough" and "not too much". Those clock in at around 3000 pounds in 4x4 config, is that enough to pull a plow?

A Deere 1050 or 1070 will pull a two-bottom plow with ease. Either of these Deere models would be ample for ten (10) acres of field. (Note that plows come in widths. You need a plow with width as wide or wider than the width of your right/rear tire, which has to fit in the bottom of the plow furrow created by the plow.) For two acres you will be happier with a PTO powered roto-tiller for the long term but you may need a plow to bust the sod you have.

Frankly if it is first time in some years I'd hire somebody with a big tractor to do an initial plowing.

Any 4-WD tractor with good parts availability and a bare weight of 2,000+ pounds will be ample for an acre of two. Start looking for a 4-WD Deere 750 through Deere 1050. A Deere 750 will pull a one bottom plow with ease.

Operating a forward rotation PTO powered tiller is a low power application. Forward rotating tines push the tractor forward as they turn.





John Deere 1050

1980 - 1989 50 Compact Series
Compact Utility tractor
Next model: John Deere 1070
Series back: John Deere 950
Distributor: John Deere
Manufacturer: Yanmar
Factory: Japan
Original price (USD)
$15,000 (1989 )

John Deere 1050 Engine:
Yanmar 1.7L 3-cyl diesel
John Deere 1050 Power:
Engine (gross): 37 hp [27.6 kW]
Drawbar (claimed): 28 hp [20.9 kW]
PTO (claimed): 33 hp [24.6 kW]
Drawbar (tested): 27.25 hp [20.3 kW]
PTO (tested): 33.41 hp [24.9 kW]


Capacity:
Fuel: 11 gal [41.6 L]
Hydraulic system: 6.875 gal [26.0 L]

3-Point Hitch:
Rear Type: I
Control: mechanical center-link depth sensing

Power Take-off (PTO):
Rear PTO: live*
Rear RPM: 540
Engine RPM: 540@2260

Dimensions
Weight (shipping): 2933 lbs [1330 kg] (2WD)
3142 lbs [1425 kg] (4WD)
Weight (operating): 3400 lbs [1542 kg] (4WD)
Weight (ballasted): 4140 lbs [1877 kg]
Wheelbase: 68.9 inches [175 cm]
Length: 122 inches [309 cm]
Width: 65 inches [165 cm]
2WD Height (hood): 55.1 inches [139 cm]
4WD Height (hood): 54 inches [137 cm]
Front tread: 49 inches [124 cm]
Rear tread: 51 to 75 inches

John Deere 1050 attachments:
mowing deck
blade
front-end loader
backhoe
1050 Serial Numbers:
Location: Serial number plate on the rear of the John Deere 1050, below the PTO shaft.
1980: 1000
1981: 5280
1982: 6572
1983: 9001
1984: 11006
1985: 14001
1986: 17001
1987: 19501
1988: 21479
Final: 23734

Mechanical:
Chassis: 4x2 2WD
4x4 MFWD 4WD
Steering: manual
Brakes: differential mechanical internal expanding shoe
Cab: Two-post ROPS.

Hydraulics:
Type: open center
Capacity: 6.875 gal [26.0 L]
Pressure: 2030 psi [140.0 bar]
Pump flow: 7.5 gpm [28.4 lpm]
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