Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[/pine]

Sadly that article is not worthy of the late great Malcolm Forbes.

So what if cobalt and other things come from dirty sources? This is solely due to irrational US environmental activists in the EPA who have prevented clean American production if not-so-rare rare earths.

Furthermore lithium batteries do not consume those materials. The raw materials are recoverable when battery cells reach end of life.

As for coal-fired electricity, USA coal generated electricity moves a power hungry Tesla Model S a mile for about the same emissions as a 30 MPG gasoline vehicle. Model 3 is about same as 45 MPG. But the EV has the advantage of being able to effortlessly use nuclear, natural gas, coal, hydro, solar, what have you. The gasoline vehicle requires great effort to dilute gasoline 10% with ethanol, for questionable net energy or environmental benefit.

♪♫♪ "Kool Aid Kool Aid taste great. Wish I had some, can't wait." ♪♫♪

 

[cqaigy2]

♪♫♪ "Kool Aid Kool Aid taste great. Wish I had some, can't wait." ♪♫♪

Touche,

Another fact filled rebuttal.

 

[/pine]

Touche,

Another fact filled rebuttal.

There is/was nothing to rebut...other than a misguided denial and misrepresentation of the facts that were presented in the cited article...

The issue is not about the EPA (a US agency) it's about third world countries with little or no regulations on environment and or child labor etc...

The issue is not about what happens to the elements after their initial use is exhausted...recycling is not something new or unique...!

The issue it not about the typical rhetoric repeated ad nauseam by anti co2 zealots...

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I had to take the Subara today because the Leaf went missing before I got ready to go. The wife and daughter took it to town before I could get out of the house. With the windows down the Subaru dash reported 103F when I got out from an hour pedicure session and I had a call I needed to take that lasted 20 minutes again in a parking lot with full sun but the windows were down.

Since the Leaf does not require the drive motor to stay comfortable it is awesome in very hot or cold times.

 

[bridge4]

I had to take the Subara today because the Leaf went missing before I got ready to go. The wife and daughter took it to town before I could get out of the house. With the windows down the Subaru dash reported 103F when I got out from an hour pedicure session and I had a call I needed to take that lasted 20 minutes again in a parking lot with full sun but the windows were down.

Since the Leaf does not require the drive motor to stay comfortable it is awesome in very hot or cold times.

So ac runs no matter what? Takes energy tho from drive range just a little quieter. Same as gas you just feel smug about yourself.

 

[Grumpycat]

So ac runs no matter what? Takes energy tho from drive range just a little quieter. Same as gas you just feel smug about yourself.

Not at all. LEAF, Prius, Tesla, and no doubt others, have separate electric motor to power A/C compressor. It means one isn't paying fuel price of 10HP or so to overcome internal engine friction to run the A/C. Just the same as your home.

My 2007 Prius could run the A/C 15 minutes or more at 95°F without running the engine. Thereafter the engine ran about 1 minute every 5 minutes.

My Tesla Model S has a "cabin overheat mode" which will automatically run the A/C when parked if the cabin exceeds 100°F. Prevents one from coming back to the car to find burning seats.

 

[bridge4]

Not at all. LEAF, Prius, Tesla, and no doubt others, have separate electric motor to power A/C compressor. It means one isn't paying fuel price of 10HP or so to overcome internal engine friction to run the A/C. Just the same as your home.

My 2007 Prius could run the A/C 15 minutes or more at 95°F without running the engine. Thereafter the engine ran about 1 minute every 5 minutes.

My Tesla Model S has a "cabin overheat mode" which will automatically run the A/C when parked if the cabin exceeds 100°F. Prevents one from coming back to the car to find burning seats.

smart to have smaller pump and more efficient than running whole engine for sure.

 

[airbiscuit]

You had me at hour long pedicure session.

Wait, what?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

You had me at hour long pedicure session.

Wait, what?

That's reading for details.

Due to Ankylosis Spondylitis my feet are out of reach.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Wouldn't there be three motors running to make cool air? Compressor, Evaporator and Condensor Fans? That seems like a lot of electrical energy.