just when you thought you knew what stupid was

[ruffdog]

I also wonder about the "pre-existing condition" issue if a person tests positive.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Security (like airport) and these medical precautions are often just about the illusion of "safety".

Just like the young women once, quickly wiping the top third of the hand hold of the grocery cart, at the grocery store last week.

NOTHING to do with reality. NOTHING at all.

It's all about FEAR and all about the sheep following orders, and FEELING SAFE!

 

[RSR]

Geeze...!...The ONLY actual consensus is that "proper" masks "CAN" help prevent transmission by droplet molecules passed orally or through nasal expellant etc...most studies state "with other advised protocols" i.e, hand washing and social distancing...

even with most masks the molecules of perfume and "gases" (flatulent) can penetrate...Even the studies that try to prove the theory that Covid molecule is more complex they also state that NO MASK can be 100% effective of blocking Covid...!

You can paste all the "science" you want...there is just as much "science" out there that contradicts...talk about "semantics"...LoL...!

The most supportive words in regard to the effectiveness of masks are words like "CAN" and "MAY"...

Again, you are frankly wrong, and your spread of misinformation is damaging.

As I said in my post, masks do block droplet expiration (not "may" or "can".)

This is not me spouting off about something because I read an article somewhere. I have a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from a top 5 graduate program in the nation, with an emohasis on fluid mechanics - you know, how things move in the air. I have 15+ years performing research related to the aerodynamics of speech. I am funded by the National Science Foundation to perform research on airborne transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus due to speech.

So no, I am not copying something I read from from other sources. I am stating the definitive findings of the research community and myself and my colleagues that are spending tireless hours researching these issues to provide effective guidelines and policies to protect public health.

So, excuse me if I react poorly when someone glibly and ignorantly claims that there is science out there that proves otherwise. 1) There isn't. 2) Your ignorance and denial on the matter literally puts people's lives at risk.

As I said earlier. You are correct that masks don't stop 100% of droplets. However, claiming that as a reason to forego mask usage is incredibly naive. Home made face coverings, depending on material and type, are anywhere from 20% - 80% effective at stopping droplet expiration. When you're trying to control a pandemic, those improvements make a huge difference, and drastically reduce infection risk. As previously mentioned, face coverings aren't just about trapping droplets. They also slow down the velocity of the droplets leaving the mouth, which contains their spread as well.

As I said earlier, I'd be happy to share with you scientific, peer-reviewed studies that demonstrate the science of how and why face coverings work.

 

[JK22]

Medicare does pay a higher amount for covid-19 patients, i believe around 20% higher.

It’s a lot higher than that. Scroll down to see what each state gets per case. State-by-state breakdown of federal aid per COVID-19 case

 

[TMGT]

It’s a lot higher than that. Scroll down to see what each state gets per case. State-by-state breakdown of federal aid per COVID-19 case

That's from an aid package (emergency fund). I was referring to the increase in general Medicare payments to the hospital, which worked out to about 20% average at the time, that was a couple months ago.

 

[JK22]

Again, you are frankly wrong, and your spread of misinformation is damaging.

As I said in my post, masks do block droplet expiration (not "may" or "can".)

This is not me spouting off about something because I read an article somewhere. I have a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from a top 5 graduate program in the nation, with an emohasis on fluid mechanics - you know, how things move in the air. I have 15+ years performing research related to the aerodynamics of speech. I am funded by the National Science Foundation to perform research on airborne transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus due to speech.

So no, I am not copying something I read from from other sources. I am stating the definitive findings of the research community and myself and my colleagues that are spending tireless hours researching these issues to provide effective guidelines and policies to protect public health.

So, excuse me if I react poorly when someone glibly and ignorantly claims that there is science out there that proves otherwise. 1) There isn't. 2) Your ignorance and denial on the matter literally puts people's lives at risk.

As I said earlier. You are correct that masks don't stop 100% of droplets. However, claiming that as a reason to forego mask usage is incredibly naive. Home made face coverings, depending on material and type, are anywhere from 20% - 80% effective at stopping droplet expiration. When you're trying to control a pandemic, those improvements make a huge difference, and drastically reduce infection risk. As previously mentioned, face coverings aren't just about trapping droplets. They also slow down the velocity of the droplets leaving the mouth, which contains their spread as well.

As I said earlier, I'd be happy to share with you scientific, peer-reviewed studies that demonstrate the science of how and why face coverings work.

I hear what you’re saying and respect the research you are doing, but the public is pretty skeptical of scientists at this point. The information changes constantly, which makes us raise an eyebrow when you say something is “fact”. We heard Fauci say masks don’t work. Then weeks later say you must wear a mask to protect yourself. Oh wait, no to protect others. Now studies are coming out (contrary to what you are saying) stating that homemade masks have marginal effect. Now Fauci is saying that we should all be wearing a face shield. To top
It off, we were initially told that there was upwards of a 5% death rate. Now it’s around .05%. Way less than the flu. It starts to feel like a lot of hype. And statements that were “factual” just a couple weeks ago are being superseded by new, contradicting “facts” ad nauseum. As a scientist, you know darn well that “peer reviewed” doesn’t mean ironclad, especially not on a 6mo< timetable. It simply means “good enough”, for now.

 

[RickB]

I hear what you’re saying and respect the research you are doing, but the public is pretty skeptical of scientists at this point. The information changes constantly, which makes us raise an eyebrow when you say something is “fact”. We heard Fauci say masks don’t work. Then weeks later say you must wear a mask to protect yourself. Oh wait, no to protect others. Now studies are coming out (contrary to what you are saying) stating that homemade masks have marginal effect. Now Fauci is saying that we should all be wearing a face shield. To top
It off, we were initially told that there was upwards of a 5% death rate. Now it’s around .05%. Way less than the flu. It starts to feel like a lot of hype. And statements that were “factual” just a couple weeks ago are being superseded by new, contradicting “facts” ad nauseum. As a scientist, you know darn well that “peer reviewed” doesn’t mean ironclad, especially not on a 6mo< timetable. It simply means “good enough”, for now.

I will respect and accept the moving target of science as it battles to understand a new disease far more than a herd of jacklegs with no training, experience or relevant education that parrot Facebook memes and pretend to know all.

 

[coobie]

it gets beaten!. 禅his is no longer a debate? Florida sheriff bans deputies, visitors from wearing masks

. "OMG" the sky is falling..

 

[ruffdog]

I thought there was several different mutations of the covid-19 virus? Will we ever get a vaccination for corona virus? Will it mutate to something worse?

Coronavirus: Are mutations making it more infectious? - BBC News

 

[ruffdog]

Viral Load is talked about as the difference of how much of the virus you are exposed to. Getting the virus from someone outside 6ft away would be a light load while packed in a bar or singing in a choir with people with covid would provide a heavy load. Wearing a mask around other people and staying away from large groups seems to be a way of ensuring a "light load" or hopefully a no-load.