Buying Advice Bigger tractor vs Cab

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jonc123

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Hello,

I'm looking at purchasing a tractor in the next week or so and am torn between bigger tractor vs cabbed tractor. I've never owned a tractor and am not sure if the HP will limit my usage (I've often bought smaller than I should have...I get the job done, but it takes me longer). We have 159 acres split into 9ac of hay fields and lawn, 100ac semi managed woods and pasture and 50 acres crop. The crop land is leased and that will continue. While the kids are in school, we use the property for the family on the weekends (2-4 days per week) and will, in 5-10 years, start a business on the property. The work I have on the property is partially for pleasure, and partially to get it ready for the long term plan.

1. Cutting hay fields, up to 6 acres after the initial cut that will be done by the farmer for hay. I'll cut them every few weeks to keep them down.
2. The existing wooded area has some old horse trails that have not been properly maintained in a few years. They are relatively flat, even though they vary in elevation, and can be easily walked by kids, grandparents and our neighbors horses. I have an ATV that I've been running slowly on the trails to push down some of the overgrown and keep them nicely matted and have restored some to approximately 8-10ft wide. The trails run through some patches of hardwood but mostly open areas. The hardwood canopy is generally high (8-10 ft) and pushed back from the main trail, and the trees will be well spaced again when I'm done. The property is fenced, but the fence line trails have overgrown and I would like to restore them around the entire property. Once that is done, I will have 3+ miles of 10ft wide walkable trails that I want to mow a few times/year.
3. Cutting about 2 acres of "grass" with few obstacles that is close to the house.
4. Clearing snow in winter. We will also show up after what may be a couple of days of snow and have to clear out a pile where we are. I have covered storage in front of the drive where the tractor will be kept, facing out, ready to go, but will also be keeping the 500ft cleared to the entrance of the forest. Plan on using the loader for this.
5. Till up a small plot behind the house for a garden. I'm sure this will grow every year.
6. Spread and grade about 500ft of gravel and keep it maintained.
7. Building a couple of large patios and a firepit.
8. Landscaping yearly...which will get bigger over the years.
9. General maintenance around the property (moving trees when they fall, burn piles, tearing out some old fencing etc).

I will be getting either a lawn tractor or ZT to cut the 2 acres near the house, so I'm not looking for a MMM.

Being in Ontario, winter can last a long time here, and bug season is from May/June until August. Heat is not fun in July/August, but I'd be ok with a canopy most of the time.

I'm looking at the B2650 cabbed, or a JD 2 (possibly a 3) series both with either a rotary cutter or flail mower, rototiller, scraper etc Most of the fields are clear, but I may have to move some stones, or work around them.

I won't go into CAD prices, but depending on exact options, the JD 2038r is 5-6K cheaper, the 2032r is about 7-8K cheaper (maybe add a backhoe :)) or the 3039r is 2-3K more than the B2650 with cab. I even priced out the 2025r with everything including a MMM, but I think that's going to be to small for what I'm looking to do. I could put an aftermarket cab on the JD for not much more (or maybe even less) than the B2650 but I wouldn't have AC in the summer.

Both dealers are close, and both have stock, and both dealers are fairly good. It seems that there are about 3 JD dealers for every 1 Kubota dealer in the area, but I'm not sure if that matters.

I'm leaning to the JD in either the 2038r or even 3033/9r (I know, much different tractor but...) with after market cab and figuring something out for summer, but thought I'd get other opinions.

Thanks
 
   / Bigger tractor vs Cab #2  
That's what you call a no-win situation. Get the JD and make the cab happen too. Bigger is ALWAYS better.
 
   / Bigger tractor vs Cab #3  
I agree bigger is better and a cab for the conditions you laid out would be high on my priority list.

Welcome to TBN and please let us know what you decide!
 
   / Bigger tractor vs Cab #4  
Some cabs do not have A/C. You want it or you will regret it.

HP is not as important as weight. HP is needed for blowing snow, rototilling, bush hogging/flail mowing

Look at other manufacturers. You are paying for Green and Orange and it is doubtful you gain anything In longevity or features.
 
   / Bigger tractor vs Cab #5  
Working long hours in a cab makes AC necessry. Getting in and out of an AC cab in hot weather is NOT healthy. Sweating is actually very healthy. And NOT that bad when you aren't doing physical work, are out of the sun, are lightly dressed and maybe have a fan. Not hard to take, even for me, that can't stand heat.
 
   / Bigger tractor vs Cab #6  
Hello,

I'm looking at purchasing a tractor in the next week or so and am torn between bigger tractor vs cabbed tractor. I've never owned a tractor and am not sure if the HP will limit my usage (I've often bought smaller than I should have...I get the job done, but it takes me longer). We have 159 acres split into 9ac of hay fields and lawn, 100ac semi managed woods and pasture and 50 acres crop. The crop land is leased and that will continue. While the kids are in school, we use the property for the family on the weekends (2-4 days per week) and will, in 5-10 years, start a business on the property. The work I have on the property is partially for pleasure, and partially to get it ready for the long term plan.

1. Cutting hay fields, up to 6 acres after the initial cut that will be done by the farmer for hay. I'll cut them every few weeks to keep them down.
2. The existing wooded area has some old horse trails that have not been properly maintained in a few years. They are relatively flat, even though they vary in elevation, and can be easily walked by kids, grandparents and our neighbors horses. I have an ATV that I've been running slowly on the trails to push down some of the overgrown and keep them nicely matted and have restored some to approximately 8-10ft wide. The trails run through some patches of hardwood but mostly open areas. The hardwood canopy is generally high (8-10 ft) and pushed back from the main trail, and the trees will be well spaced again when I'm done. The property is fenced, but the fence line trails have overgrown and I would like to restore them around the entire property. Once that is done, I will have 3+ miles of 10ft wide walkable trails that I want to mow a few times/year.
3. Cutting about 2 acres of "grass" with few obstacles that is close to the house.
4. Clearing snow in winter. We will also show up after what may be a couple of days of snow and have to clear out a pile where we are. I have covered storage in front of the drive where the tractor will be kept, facing out, ready to go, but will also be keeping the 500ft cleared to the entrance of the forest. Plan on using the loader for this.
5. Till up a small plot behind the house for a garden. I'm sure this will grow every year.
6. Spread and grade about 500ft of gravel and keep it maintained.
7. Building a couple of large patios and a firepit.
8. Landscaping yearly...which will get bigger over the years.
9. General maintenance around the property (moving trees when they fall, burn piles, tearing out some old fencing etc).

I will be getting either a lawn tractor or ZT to cut the 2 acres near the house, so I'm not looking for a MMM.

Being in Ontario, winter can last a long time here, and bug season is from May/June until August. Heat is not fun in July/August, but I'd be ok with a canopy most of the time.

I'm looking at the B2650 cabbed, or a JD 2 (possibly a 3) series both with either a rotary cutter or flail mower, rototiller, scraper etc Most of the fields are clear, but I may have to move some stones, or work around them.

I won't go into CAD prices, but depending on exact options, the JD 2038r is 5-6K cheaper, the 2032r is about 7-8K cheaper (maybe add a backhoe :)) or the 3039r is 2-3K more than the B2650 with cab. I even priced out the 2025r with everything including a MMM, but I think that's going to be to small for what I'm looking to do. I could put an aftermarket cab on the JD for not much more (or maybe even less) than the B2650 but I wouldn't have AC in the summer.

Both dealers are close, and both have stock, and both dealers are fairly good. It seems that there are about 3 JD dealers for every 1 Kubota dealer in the area, but I'm not sure if that matters.

I'm leaning to the JD in either the 2038r or even 3033/9r (I know, much different tractor but...) with after market cab and figuring something out for summer, but thought I'd get other opinions.

Thanks

You probably want a 60-80 PTO HP CUT with cab, front and rear remotes. If you clear snow in winter open station sucks real fast. For your acreage a SCUT will just leave you wanting more.

I have a cab but no A/C. Generally speaking I only need A/C for about one to two months a year. No heat is a deal breaker for me.
 
   / Bigger tractor vs Cab #7  
In your location, if at all possible get the cab. There are more than a few threads regarding owning vs. renting a backhoe. Have a look at those. They are cost prohibitive for CUT's unless you use all the time. Strangely, I've seen 2 Deere backhoe attachments around here for sale. Seems like the owners bought with good intentions, used for what they needed and have been sitting since. Continual price drops and still listed. I'm not sure about other brands besides Deere as it's been a while since researched. With what you are explaining size wise, if you go with Deere 3046R is the smallest I would go. I realize it's the same platform as the 39 but you get more HP. I agree with Mikester on more HP for your size acreage, but cost goes up with the HP and if you can't go there...well....there's always "the next time". Also, more HP means bigger, so it becomes more difficult to maneuver. I do basically what you are describing in your point by point and my 3046R is nearly perfect. Sometimes too big to maneuver . Sometimes too small to lift/pull what I need.
 
   / Bigger tractor vs Cab #8  
I would never own any piece of equipment again without a cab and AC. Mowing with my old open station Kubota was never pleasant, I usually only mowed upwind which doubled my mowing time. It's great not having to blow the dust off my clothes before going in the house.
 
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I'd like to thank everyone for their input and convincing me I need to spend more money :)

I'm now looking at the JD 3 series (3033/9r), Kubota MX5400 and the L3560, all cabbed. I've been in all 3, and thought the JD layout and cab was particularly nice, but was concerned with the clearance since it will be spending time in the woods. The MX5400, as expected, was a little more basic, and I thought the cab was a little louder, but it was still quite nice. I liked the larger front tires as well and thought it might do better in the forest. I'm also wondering if less electronics means less issues in the long run. The L3560 was also nice, but felt more cramped than the MX5400. Right now, I'm strongly considering either the 3033 or the MX5400, though I'm waiting for a price on the Kubota tractors just in case they're way above the deere price. I've been around to look at Mahindra, New Holland and the rest, and am going to choose between orange or green. The dealer network is much better where I am for those brands. Does anyone have a strong opinion for/against any of those 3, or think I should look at something different?

Thanks
 
   / Bigger tractor vs Cab #10  
I think either will be a very nice tractor but based on your post it sounds like the Kubota is the better fit. Good luck!
 
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