quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years

   / quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years
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Its kind of funny, I used to see quail quite often after I bought my property, and Dan Quail was VP, and from this general vicinity (south west of here 5-6 miles) after he left office and went bye bye for a while was the last time I saw any
 
   / quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years #13  
I got an insurgence of Quail on my farm 4-5 years ago. At the peak I had 4 coveys in one 23 acre tract. Then thay diminished. This year I only had one covey. Was told by what I consider a reliable source that Mother Nature thinned them with an intestinal viral infection.

Mother Nature knows best.
 
   / quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years #15  
Last quail we hunted in any quantity was when a friend of my father's owned an old ranch on the Agua Poquita creek in South Texas. Plenty of blue and bobwhite quail back then. About 1966.
 
   / quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years #16  
I love watching quail. I have a 2600 acre lease in the Texas hill country and they're slowly coming back. I love marinated quail or bacon wrapped quail breasts.

Haven't seen a covey of quail in 30+ years.

Used to be long ago they were frequent. Then Fire Ants moved in.
My favorite game by quite a margin. Well to be honest,I injoy all type hunting but prefer following pointers and following pointers is no fun without quail. Bobs were plentiful in N.E. Texas until late 70s then poof,none since. I also blamed fire ants but while doing vollinteer work to save Horned Toads, I came to a different conclusion. The few toads that remained in Tx were in pockets where fire ants had never been a problem. I then noticed those same pockets held a population of Bobs. Proof enough that fire ants contributed to the demise of quail,right? Not really,let's look closer. Along with quail and toads,these pockets also had Red Hearvester Ants which had disappeared everywhere else. Toads are highly dependent on Red Harvesters as a source of food. Harvesters depend on seed as food and establish a relationship with plants to increase seed production. Quail not only forage seed plants favored by ants but get needed cover,especially for chicks. Since toad project began,they have slowly increased numbers and broadened their range. A large part of toad effort revolve's around bringing Harvesters back. Reestablishing harvesters require's elimination of fire ant control efforts and dramatic reduction of some other insectacides and herbasides. When that happens,fire ants are no longer a problem and quail usually follow. That's only the tip of the iceberg and started when tons Mirex was dumped from cargo planes in 70s.
A question for Texans seeing quail. Are Red Harvesters present?
 
   / quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years #17  
Now that you mention it jaxs I do think I have heard that before. I believe TPWD was working on bringing back quail and horned toad populations in west Texas and it was linked to Red Harvester ants.

And pesticide application to combat Fire Ants in East texas did occur starting in the early 1970’s which is about when the quail population started declining.

But there are still Red Harvester ants in East Texas I am aware of but still not significant pops of quail. Are you saying the quail also eat the Red harvester ants?

I did find this from TPWD https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_rp_w7000_1025.pdf

But it doesn’t talk about Red Ants. I’ll keep looking because I’m sure I’ve heard that before.
 
   / quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years #18  
The blizzard of 78 wiped ours out and they never recovered. I used to buy and raise 50 chicks a year and let them leave on their own from the farm but they never established a permanent presence. Too many coyotes now.
 
   / quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years #19  
I love watching quail. I have a 2600 acre lease in the Texas hill country and they're slowly coming back. I love marinated quail or bacon wrapped quail breasts.

Last quail we hunted in any quantity was when a friend of my father's owned an old ranch on the Agua Poquita creek in South Texas. Plenty of blue and bobwhite quail back then. About 1966.
Not far Southwest in Dilly and Catula,there were so many quail in the 70s you couldn't tell when you went from one covey to the next. On covey rise,we shot,marked where our birds fell then held our fire as singles or other coveys rose as we walked to pick up dead. Unlike places in my post above,that area was a perfect ecosystem. Abundant skunk,coon,rabbit,coyote,bob cat and rattlers. So many rattlers everyone discouraged using dogs. Conventional wisdom says eradicating varmits is neccessary to increase small game and bird populations. That area proved different.
A funny story from our first trip. When we arranged the hunt by phone,ranch forman told us where a hired hand lived that could give us a key and show us the pastures. After checking in at motel and having dinner,we decided to drive out and find his house and tell him what time to expect us next morning. He spoke very little english and was preparing to take us right then eventhough it was an hour past sundown. On way back to motel we laughed at how dumb he must be. After we limited the next morning and until he passed several years later,my brother said " a man could probably kill a limit at night if there was a full moon."
 
   / quail, first covey I have seen in 20+ years #20  
Now that you mention it jaxs I do think I have heard that before. I believe TPWD was working on bringing back quail and horned toad populations in west Texas and it was linked to Red Harvester ants.

And pesticide application to combat Fire Ants in East texas did occur starting in the early 1970’s which is about when the quail population started declining.

But there are still Red Harvester ants in East Texas I am aware of but still not significant pops of quail. Are you saying the quail also eat the Red harvester ants?

I did find this from TPWD https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_rp_w7000_1025.pdf

But it doesn’t talk about Red Ants. I’ll keep looking because I’m sure I’ve heard that before.
I realize I might have made it sound like hearvesters are the key but they are only one of a few creatures that signal healthy enviroment. Roadrunners are another bird that disappeared overnight but has been making a recovery. East Texas dealt quail an extra blow with the introduction of Coastal Bermuda. It doesn't produce seed and quail can't even walk through it. Sorry pasture land is usually good quail habitat. Part the top of Broomweed infested pasture and notice how open and clean ground is underneath. That's exelent cover that's easy to walk through,good insect hunting,cover from both ground dwelling and flying preditors,plus seed just a neck streatch above.
 

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