PTO Blown on B20

   / PTO Blown on B20
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#11  
FINALLY got a straight, as in concise, answer from Nigel, a CA dealer as to how *exactly* to get the PTO guts pulled out of the PTO "chamber" in the back of the tractor.

The repair manual is not much help, and local dealer is suggesting i just pond, wiggle and pry, etc., which is true, but how much where and in what direction is kind of necessary to know if one does not want to risk doing further damage.

So, tomorrow, first day of spring, I will spring into action and get that puppy yanked. Will take some photos and try to post them.

Progress....
Dennis
 
   / PTO Blown on B20 #12  
So, tomorrow, first day of spring, I will spring into action and get that puppy yanked. Will take some photos and try to post them.

Just saw your thread, Dennis.

I have never seen a B20 up close and personal, but I am told that it is
different in many ways from the B21. On my B21, the PTO cover has 6
bolts, and it would pry loose without taking the tractor apart. The
PTO shaft goes thru the main gearbox to a coupler and shifter forward
of the diff gears. If your problem is there, you will have to take the
whole tractor apart. If it is the final bearing in the rear cover, it will
be easy. If it is hard, the bearing is stuck in the cover, or on the shaft,
or the shaft is stuck in the coupler. Kubota's bearings are mostly NOT
interference fits, unlike JD's. That's a good thing.

Looking fwd to some pix.
 
   / PTO Blown on B20 #13  
Wow, it has been more than 10 years.

Do you still have your B20, Dennis? Did you fix your PTO?

Well now I have a B20 that I am working on, and the first big challenge is getting the hoe off. The levers do nothing to retract the retaining pins, so it looks like I am going to have to figure some way of pounding the pins out.

Have you ever removed your hoe? If so, any suggestions?
 
   / PTO Blown on B20
  • Thread Starter
#14  
Wow, it has been more than 10 years.

Do you still have your B20, Dennis? Did you fix your PTO?
Well now I have a B20 that I am working on, and the first big challenge is getting the hoe off. The levers do nothing to retract the retaining pins, so it looks like I am going to have to figure some way of pounding the pins out.
Have you ever removed your hoe? If so, any suggestions?

df,
Dang, ten years! Time does fly... Still have the B20 and wish I had got it sooner, just like my hydraulic wood splitter.

I DID fix the PTO, surprised myself. A bunch of manuals and consult and a little bit of work from the dealer got me through. Did it without splitting the thing too, just loosened it up a bit.
I took a bunch of pictures and was going to put an article together for TBN, but never got around to it... Procrastination is one of my prime skills.

The gal I bought it from was swinging a 7' brush hog on the back without a sheer pin, and hit a rock. There was further damage to the differential lock because her kids were likely trying to pull wheelies with the thing, or some such. Oh, and I found that one of the stripped out gears was actually installed backwards, so that it only half way engaged with the other gear. From asking around and gasket evidence, it seems it may well have come that way from the factory. Go figure...

Been working fine ever since, other than running a stick through the radiator while backing up in a brush pile. Taking the front grill and hood off to get to the radiator is, of course, a lot more complicated than one would think at the outset.

Getting the hoe off of mine was no big deal. Getting it back on more of a pain. Not sure what you are referring to re the "pins", but on mine there are two T handled screw pins that secure the hoe to the back of the unit. If it's been forever, they may be will corroded in place. I would (should) source or fab a tool for applying a lot more than hand power to thoese things, such as a pipe or socket with a notch in one end and a big lever arm at the other. I found that the position of the hoe and resulting tensions played a big part in the ease of taking the pins out or screwing them back in. No pounding should be needed, just a bunch of messing around. Kind of like getting the pin out or back in that locks the hoe in the up/fully retracted position requires some boom manipulation. Watch yer fingers! I tied a lanyard to that thing to keep it at a safe distance from mine. Also a couple of hydraulic hoses you have to unplug and connect to each other.

When you get the thing loosened up it would help a lot if you could park the hoe on a hard flat surface to keep it level for reattachment, and build a cradle or at least block the bottom of the thing up so it stays just where it was positioned when removed. Save a lot of agro later.

Would strongly suggest getting whatever manuals and schematics you can from a dealer or source them on line. Knowing what parts you're dealing with is quite helpful. A tool that I found very helpful in diagnosing things was one of those bore hole inspection camera things. They're a lot less expensive now than they were then. Could look deep into the tranny to see what was where and reassure myself ot things.

Good luck and shout if I can be of further assistance. Keep cool in CA!

Yours in the smoke,
Denwa
 
   / PTO Blown on B20 #15  
Glad you got the PTO fixed, Dennis.

The B20 backhoe mount is somewhat different from the B21's I had years ago. The top part of the mount has 2 Tee-shaped pins, which are retained by clips. No problem removing them. It is the lower connection that has spring-loaded pins that retract using levers. The pins are stuck. I can see one has already been hammered-on by a prev owner. I tried hammering but access from the side, even with tires off is not good.

Next step will be getting the tractor over my mechanic's bay and getting underneath.
 
   / PTO Blown on B20
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#16  
Glad you got the PTO fixed, Dennis.

..... It is the lower connection that has spring-loaded pins that retract using levers. The pins are stuck. .....

Ahh, forgot those lower devils. It could be worth the effort to have someone you trust wiggle the hoe around while you attempt to move the pins. A few or several hundred pounds of latteral pressure can go a long way to promoting stiction.
 

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