What is a warranty worth?

   / What is a warranty worth? #21  
To the OP -
Gary - How long after purchase/delivery did it fail?
One hour of use could be after you've had it for a few months or more.
The EVERLAST PowerArc300 I bought in 2014 (for $270 :) ) is still working fine. We just used it this weekend for about 3 hours (maybe a total of 30 minutes welding arc time max). However over the last 6 years I doubt it's been on for more than 20 hours total.
I loaned it to my son in Virginia about 2017 and I think it just collected dust until I repossessed it last week.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #22  
To the OP -
Gary - How long after purchase/delivery did it fail?
One hour of use could be after you've had it for a few months or more.
The EVERLAST PowerArc300 I bought in 2014 (for $270 :) ) is still working fine. We just used it this weekend for about 3 hours (maybe a total of 30 minutes welding arc time max). However over the last 6 years I doubt it's been on for more than 20 hours total.
I loaned it to my son in Virginia about 2017 and I think it just collected dust until I repossessed it last week.

The fact that your welder is still working is GREAT.
The thread title though is: "What is a warranty worth"
In your case, your warranty has provided zero value.....because you have not received any measurable benefit!
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #23  
If anyone knows a welding equipment company that covers the shipping cost both ways for warranty work let me know.

Primeweld... has it, Unless something has changed.


Site still says Free return shipping.

3 years, but not sure what happens if 2 failures occur.

Their amazon feedback is really good.

talking inexpensive chicom units here
 
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   / What is a warranty worth?
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#24  
Another way to look at it is Companies warranty their products, not shipping and handling.

Amazon has created false impressions that shipping is somehow free. If you buy something from a store, normally you drive there to pick it up and have to drive back to return it.

Have you ever tried collecting from UPS or FedEX after they mangle or lost your shipment? Its a nightmare at best and you waste hours on hours in computerized phone system ****.

The way I look at it, the company's warranty period reflects their confidence in their products. I would go with a company that offers a 5 year warranty over a 1 year any day. I don't think free shipping is a reasonable expectation for bulky and heavy items.

I regularly deal with customers who have expectations that bulky, heavy items should have discount pricing AND free shipping. I tell them to try Amazon.
In the last 6 months UPS has claimed delivery of two separated shipments of over $100 each and shipper didnt insure it(Cut 50 plasma and Dewalt i1/2" impact gun) so no recourse to recoup costs. They (UPS)claim "we are investigating" and never any thing back from them. Both times we have been home all day and outside much of the time and never seen any delivery. Even checked neighbor to see if they dropped it close by by mistake. Nothing. That is almost enough to say no more UPS delivery.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #25  
Sorry but we need more information. When did you purchase it? It sounds like it was outside of their 30 day window. If so then you would have to pay for shipping. The fee to box it seams a little high and if it was sent back in the original box then unless UPS damaged it I wouldn't know why they couldn't reuse that box. Personally I would talk to Mark (who posts here quite often) and see if he can't help you out. I know this doesn't help you out but my Everlast plasma cutter is over 10 years old now and has worked flawlessly.

I don't think companies have the profit margins they had before covid. A few weeks ago I had a company I buy router bits from send me an expensive bit($130). The shipping label had my name and address but there was someone else's name on a label on the box. It was sent out overnight. Being the nice guy I am I called the guy up (no answer and voicemail was full) and then the company to let them know. The lady said she would send me a label to ship it back at their cost. I could have said nothing and kept it but I try to the right thing. My wife asked if they did anything to say "thank you". Nope. Just the way it is now. Hopefully this works out for you.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #26  
Nobody knows more about guarantees and warranties than Tommy


 
   / What is a warranty worth? #27  
In the last 6 months UPS has claimed delivery of two separated shipments of over $100 each and shipper didnt insure it(Cut 50 plasma and Dewalt i1/2" impact gun) so no recourse to recoup costs. They (UPS)claim "we are investigating" and never any thing back from them. Both times we have been home all day and outside much of the time and never seen any delivery. Even checked neighbor to see if they dropped it close by by mistake. Nothing. That is almost enough to say no more UPS delivery.

Same trouble here with UPS !
No such issue with FedEx.
I specify FedEx whenever possible!
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #28  
Same trouble here with UPS !
No such issue with FedEx.
I specify FedEx whenever possible!

We never have problems with UPS.... FedEx on the other hand has usually been good over the years until about 6 weeks ago.... they supposedly "delivered" a plasma cutter, but we never saw it, or the truck.... after filing a claim and waiting 4 days, FedEx told me the shipper had to file a claim, which they did. A week later, a supervisor was out delivering and I told him about not getting the cutter...

He looked up the delivery, had a verified tracking of the driver going past our driveway, turning around in the neighbor's property, then going back the way he came in on our road, never stopping in our driveway. I called FedEx back and gave them this updated information (different 'claims' dept.).

A week later, the shipper emailed me that FedEx denied the claim! Then guess what? For another FedEx delivery, I actually spoke with the driver who "delivered" the plasma cutter.... he told me directly that he "dropped it out at the end of our driveway next to the trash can"... "I didn't know that I could turn around in your driveway".... REALLY?? You left it out at the road?

I called back FedEx and gave the local supervisor THIS information.... they said they would reopen the case.... it has been another 2 weeks.... still no word if they will cover the claim.... but I am out almost $500....

I have a very limited income and this $500 is like $5000 to me. It took a long, long time for me to afford getting a plasma cutter.....

FEDEX is like any other money grubbing pi** a** company.... they don't give a s*** about their customers
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #29  
We never have problems with UPS.... FedEx on the other hand has usually been good over the years until about 6 weeks ago.... they supposedly "delivered" a plasma cutter, but we never saw it, or the truck.... after filing a claim and waiting 4 days, FedEx told me the shipper had to file a claim, which they did. A week later, a supervisor was out delivering and I told him about not getting the cutter...

He looked up the delivery, had a verified tracking of the driver going past our driveway, turning around in the neighbor's property, then going back the way he came in on our road, never stopping in our driveway. I called FedEx back and gave them this updated information (different 'claims' dept.).

A week later, the shipper emailed me that FedEx denied the claim! Then guess what? For another FedEx delivery, I actually spoke with the driver who "delivered" the plasma cutter.... he told me directly that he "dropped it out at the end of our driveway next to the trash can"... "I didn't know that I could turn around in your driveway".... REALLY?? You left it out at the road?

I called back FedEx and gave the local supervisor THIS information.... they said they would reopen the case.... it has been another 2 weeks.... still no word if they will cover the claim.... but I am out almost $500....

I have a very limited income and this $500 is like $5000 to me. It took a long, long time for me to afford getting a plasma cutter.....

FEDEX is like any other money grubbing pi** a** company.... they don't give a s*** about their customers

He didn't know he could turn around in your driveway?
Ah Ha......maybe FedEx is cutting costs, by removing the reverse gear in all their trucks.

By chance, do you have a homeowner policy with replacement value protection?
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #30  
We never have problems with UPS.... FedEx on the other hand has usually been good over the years until about 6 weeks ago.... they supposedly "delivered" a plasma cutter, but we never saw it, or the truck.... after filing a claim and waiting 4 days, FedEx told me the shipper had to file a claim, which they did. A week later, a supervisor was out delivering and I told him about not getting the cutter...

He looked up the delivery, had a verified tracking of the driver going past our driveway, turning around in the neighbor's property, then going back the way he came in on our road, never stopping in our driveway. I called FedEx back and gave them this updated information (different 'claims' dept.).

A week later, the shipper emailed me that FedEx denied the claim! Then guess what? For another FedEx delivery, I actually spoke with the driver who "delivered" the plasma cutter.... he told me directly that he "dropped it out at the end of our driveway next to the trash can"... "I didn't know that I could turn around in your driveway".... REALLY?? You left it out at the road?

I called back FedEx and gave the local supervisor THIS information.... they said they would reopen the case.... it has been another 2 weeks.... still no word if they will cover the claim.... but I am out almost $500....

I have a very limited income and this $500 is like $5000 to me. It took a long, long time for me to afford getting a plasma cutter.....

FEDEX is like any other money grubbing pi** a** company.... they don't give a s*** about their customers

How did he drop it by your driveway when tracking shows that he never stopped? They keep pulling that kind of crap and we're going to start requiring signatures to confirm that they actually delivered.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #31  
How did he drop it by your driveway when tracking shows that he never stopped? They keep pulling that kind of crap and we're going to start requiring signatures to confirm that they actually delivered.

That's not going to work either. I've ordered stuff that required signatures before and they forged the signature.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #32  
He didn't know he could turn around in your driveway?
Ah Ha......maybe FedEx is cutting costs, by removing the reverse gear in all their trucks.

By chance, do you have a homeowner policy with replacement value protection?

Actually we do... never thought of that. But, wouldn't make a difference, we have a $1,000 deductible.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #33  
How did he drop it by your driveway when tracking shows that he never stopped? They keep pulling that kind of crap and we're going to start requiring signatures to confirm that they actually delivered.

The tracking that I was shown was just a series of dots/pings from the GPS.... he could have stopped for 30 seconds and pushed it out the door!

I forgot the biggest thing that pissed me off.... they say that I signed for it! They sent me a copy of the signature..."COVID19" scribbled on the screen! My first initial and last name was typed in.... that was on the shipping label!
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #35  
Hmm..... I've been out here 39+ years. Never had a moments problem with UPS or FedX. In the summer they come in all the way to the house. In the winter they put any package in a plastic garbage bag and leave at the outer gate. The long driveway and sometimes deep snow will spook them.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #36  
By chance, do you have a homeowner policy with replacement value protection?

Actually we do... never thought of that. But, wouldn't make a difference, we have a $1,000 deductible.

Check the credit card or whatever you paid with. Some have various forms of purchase protection.


UPS is better here. County has been working on my road with sporadic road closures. Twice during those times, UPS has parked a quarter mile away and walked the package to me. It helped that I was watching their live map tracking the truck's position and was outside waiting for them.

Few years back, I ordered a sim card kit from TracFone for a $1. Instead of sending it via US Mail, they sent it FedEx, Signature Required. Yes, a $1 item in an envelope. FedEx arrived three times on three consecutive days and would not leave the package. Left me notes instead. I left them a note stating the value of the contents and signed it. They wouldn't accept that and eventually the package was returned. FedEx Express is a pain while FedEx Home (note the colors) isn't too bad.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #37  
My problem with UPS is the condition of nearly everything they bring. Everything is smashed, torn and dirty. I don't know what I would do with out UPS but I have to expect a certain amount of damage on every package. Oh and they always blame it on the packer so there is no recourse. FedEx, Speedy and DHL are slow and **** but the packages are always in good shape.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #38  
If do a lot of online purchasing and most of my accounts are set up on my American Express card so if there is an issue that can't be worked out I can always do a charge back. I recently purchased $300 item from a company in the UK that I never received and after 2 months of no response from I put in a claim with Amx and they credited the $300 back my account in 30 days.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #39  
Exact opposite here.

Have you had an item that did not ever arrive from UPS, like in the OP's posting?
How did UPS handle it for you?
They walked away from my issue!
Left me with zero resolution.
 
   / What is a warranty worth? #40  
First, I hate to hear of any customers unit that has a problem or fails. If it is my customer, then I tend to take it personally. I remember quoting a unit to Gary for our entry level unit.

In fact, let's just put this out there. I just checked out emails and pm's. I counseled Gary against buying this type of unit and also told him that our entry level models were being discontinued. I did not feel comfortable recommending those units to him. Best I can remember, he did not buy direct from me, and insisted on buying it anyway and bought it elsewhere against my advice and explanation. I in fact made recommendations for other machines. When he had problems initially, I think I was the first he contacted though.

If anyone has followed my advice over the years. I've never recommended those type machines, especially for the average user. They are specific designed for a purpose. Regardless of what I say, There are still people that say people "no, this is what I want." I think I recommended against Gary buying one, but he did. Sure a lot of people do buy them. Most all are happy until something happens.

But lets look at this from a rational standpoint.
The warranty has been and always has been stated on our site, and is always available by clicking a VERY visible link at the top. No one is arm twisted into buying our units if they don't like the terms of the warranty.

Our warranty reads much like Miller and Lincoln You pay shipping to their facilities to and from as well! Now for someone living close to a repair center, that may seem like a minor issue. But if you are in the heart of Montana, that's the breaks. You pay shipping for blue and red as well.

A three year warranty is all they offer. If it had been on one of their machines (and yes, they do fail too, frequently enough just out of warranty) you would have had to pay many times more for parts and repair on a machine like this. Ask the guy who has had a Miller fail shortly after a warranty expired about their machine. You won't hear very nice words come out of their mouth. There is still roughly 2 years left on the unit if it wasn't our entry level mosfet unit. If it was, it is still a better value than paying 3 to 4 times the price, and still having to pay out 1200.00 for a board plus labor to fix another brand.

Look at the value you still have for what you have invested. You still cannot come close to touching a plasma cutter or a TIG welder individually for anywhere close to this amount. Now, I understand the issue of having to pay more for shipping. I'll deal with that in a moment.

I've stressed the fact don't buy one of these units if you plan to use it primarily as a plasma cutter!!! I've said it here and elsewhere, and counseled many. Plasma is a support function. It is made clear on the site as well in the notes and elsewhere in the documentation. But that does not keep you from buying it. I can only guide you.

As far as the boxing fee, the boxing fee isn't charged if the boxing is correct and prescribed when you send it in. They even have a detailed picture to show you how to ensure that it arrives safely and can be returned to you without damage. If a boxing fee is being charged, it is because your box was not in a returnable condition and likely the packaging instructions was not carefully followed in some way. You see if you we ship it back to you, and it was not properly packaged, the cost of the unit is on us if it gets damaged in shipping. So, we make sure it is packaged properly on return. We make the advice to the customer how to package it and greater than 99% of the time, we have no issues in shipping the box both ways if our pictures and information is followed.

For shipping to us, you can always call us and we can provide a 'discounted" label to return the unit, which takes advantage of our volume shipping discount.

Additionally, I have found that items under 70 lbs ship way better and faster USPS at a much cheaper price. My experience. It may not be everyone's.

Now some of you are going to say "Well if it were a Miller or Lincoln it wouldn't have broke anyway". Yeah, right.

Well, now, isn't it a good thing that Miller now has a star rating and comment section where you can find out what some people think about their machines and the problems they have.
So, before any of you comment about this very thing to my reply, then go over there and read about some of the dissatisfied customers. Yes, blue and red nightmares do exist.
 

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