Choosing the right HP and weight.

   / Choosing the right HP and weight. #11  
Ditching with a small machine is going to really suck. That's a job for an excavator, not a little back hoe.

What job? A small hole to find a water leak? Dig a grave for a large draft horse? Install a septic system? I did them all with a little SCUT BH just fine....

It would have sucked for me to go get an excavator for any of those jobs....
 
   / Choosing the right HP and weight. #12  
What job? A small hole to find a water leak? Dig a grave for a large draft horse? Install a septic system? I did them all with a little SCUT BH just fine....

It would have sucked for me to go get an excavator for any of those jobs....

We are obviously using the terminology differently. Ditching to me is roadside drainage swales and culverts. Trenching is pipe work for waterlines and septic systems. Digging a hole is for Pokey.
 
   / Choosing the right HP and weight. #13  
Those tractors you listed are all fine for the jobs you mentioned, might take a wee bit longer but they can get the job done. My L2800 is more than I really need for 28 acres and 3/4 mile driveway...
 
   / Choosing the right HP and weight. #14  
Choosing the right HP and Weight (for a tractor), is related to the general concept of choosing the right tool for the job.

One approach is to select the most efficient tool for the task based on time, dollars and availability, while another approach is to select the most enjoyable experience. In some situations, many of these factors are aligned. In other situations, you may weigh one or more factors more than than others.

When you're in charge of the decisions, the most important aspect is that the end-result provides you with satisfaction.


Identify which criteria are most important (e.g. dollars, time, personal achievement, skill development, etc.). If your goal is to maximize tractor seat time, you're likely going to prefer options that involve a tractor. If your goal is solve the puzzle quickly and move on to other tasks, you may be open to options other than operating a tractor you own, especially if there is better tool for the task within easy reach.

If you enjoy using the equipment and achieve a sense of accomplishment from doing the work yourself, the overall cost in dollars and time may not be as important as how doing the work results in its own reward.

If an activity is going to be performed only once, purchasing equipment is likely to be more expensive than renting or hiring out. If an activity is going to be performed repeatedly, the effort in owning and maintaining equipment to have it readily available becomes increasingly worthwhile.


Example rental rates at Home Depot; prices shown are daily / weekly / monthly (as of October 2020), and vary by location:

$329 / $987 / $2468 - TLB Mini - Kubota B26 or John Deere 2032R tractor with loader, bucket and backhoe

$329 / $987 / $2468 - Mini Excavator - Kubota KX91, Bobcat E26 or John Deere 26G (rates from $200~$460 per day based on excavator size)

$359 / $1077 / $2693 - CTL - Bobcat T450 or Gehl RT135


Heavy equipment rental companies provide access to large dozers, excavators and specialty equipment. Some of these companies offer delivery and pick-up, and may charge for runtime hours versus days. You can focus on just the seat-time, with no burden performing maintenance.


Below are example rates from hiring out recent work, where the rate includes equipment plus professional operator:

$70 per hour - tractor work - shredding, discing, etc.

$75 per hour - CTL work - grading, spreading gravel, building pads, etc.

$125 per hour - dozer work - pond digging, large berms, etc.

$175 per hour - excavator work - large-scale digging and speciality work, lifting multiple tons, etc.


For construction tasks, obtain quotes from local contractors and ask for fixed-price bids per job. Place a dollar rate on your labor plus an hourly rate for your equipment. Compare your estimated run cost for the task versus hiring out.

A well-informed decision often results in an optimal outcome.
 
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   / Choosing the right HP and weight.
  • Thread Starter
#15  
Thanks folks.

Bought a Kubota L3240 this weekend with 600 hours. Looking to put a used 9' hoe on it now, and then I should be all set.

Nate
 
   / Choosing the right HP and weight. #16  
I have 8 acres wooded. I maintain my land with a 1705 massey. Move logs, box blading, moving material, clearing areas, wood cutting, bush hogging, and basically everything you will be doing. My advice would be to rent a larger mini excavator if you know how to operate them. They are much more equipped for building new trails, ditching, and the other tasks you mentioned. However if you dont then by all means use the backhoe option. I also use my tractor for my excavating business when i need to cut in driveways. My most recent driveway was 175ft long and needed to be lifted on one side. The owner came out and kind of frowned when he saw my unit for his job. I said you will be surprised how long this doesn't take. Three hours later his driveway was done and he was majorly surprised by my tractors capabilities.

I also went this route to stay away from the DPF. Plus I grew up on a farm and machinery so im pretty comfortable on equipment and had no worries as to how i could get this tractor to perform on my land. Many will talk bigger size tractor. I dont think its necessary.


I'm in the market for a tractor (with loader, and backhoe) to manage some wooded land that we'll eventually build a house on.
Tractor tasks are:
- Improving the existing 3/4 mile road, which is more of a woods road. Needs ditching improvement, including digging out where culverts are starting to get buried, so they don't start washing out; shaping throughout and adding some material to some parts. Figure I'll need a loader, hoe and box blade for these tasks.
- creating some trails (and possibly mowing them in the future) (some hoe work, and a bush-hog)
- construction tasks (trenching, site prep, materials handling etc) (backhoe, loader, forks)

I'm looking for something narrow enough to do some trail work, and eventually work around the house some. About 5' wide.
But I want it heavy enough to be able to do the work on the road (which will be ongoing), so I'm looking at ~3000# compacts, with 1200# bucket lift capacity.

I was initially thinking 30-35 hp, but I suspect the extra hp isn't really necessary for loader, backhoe and box blade work, where the PTO using up the power.
Without PTO requirements (mowing isn't going to be a big usage), I'm wondering if something like a JD 3025, or LS MT2-25, Bobcat CT225 or Kubota L2501 would be a good match. Construction tractors like the B26 get a lot done with 25 hp, so maybe that's plenty for me?

What do you think?
 
   / Choosing the right HP and weight. #17  
Congrats on your tractor purchase !! I have L4701 with hoe and loader great machine for its size I can manage 20 acres just fine.
 

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