Working rail roads and their tracks.

   / Working rail roads and their tracks. #531  
It's changed in Europe too... the commuter stops in many places eliminated...

There was a local train station that was very much used when I visited.... no train stops now.

I suggested taking the train from Salzburg to Vienna and learned that even though the train passes through the village it had not stopped in 2O years.
 
   / Working rail roads and their tracks. #532  
I can't find any recent statistics, however, I keep finding references that suggest the U.S. automobile per capita rate is actually lower than most Western European countries, and most mega cities, meaning they own more personal vehicles per person than we do. That surprises me. But the reasonings were they have a larger middle class than the U.S. But if they have more cars, why do they have more mass transit? Couple reasons listed were they tend to make shorter trips by foot, bike, bus or train than we do. Their fuel costs are higher. Their taxes are higher. Their road taxes come from different sources than our road taxes. Their mass transit lines are government owned. Our original mass transit lines like trolleys, inter urban lines, etc... were privately owned and went out of business. We're also spread out more than they are with suburbs. On TBN alone, think about how many people talk about how far their nearest neighbor is, how far it is to a store, etc... There is no mass transit in the suburbs, and the few places where there is, few people want to wait for a train or bus. Heck, I had a city bus line running right in front of this house for about 15 years. I could have walked out to my mailbox and flagged one down every 20 minutes 7am-5pm, and every half hour 5pm to 9pm Monday-Saturday. They moved the line a block over 10 years ago. But still, guess how many times I road that bus? ZIPPO. Let's face it.... Americans are all about convenience and "my time". :rolleyes:

Once in a while, I'll take my bike and ride down to Autozone or the hardware store to pick up something small. But there's a good chance my bike would get stolen at Autozone or I'd be accosted by someone on the way. They hardware store, not so much. It's not "in town".

Another example is that here in South Bend, they've made huge attempts to promote bicycling. They put in bike lanes all over town. Smart streets that are more bike and pedestrian friendly, etc... yet after 4-5 years of it, I rarely see someone on a bike. They did bring in Lime Bikes a few years ago. They seemed to get used heavily at first, but most of them got broken, stolen, thrown in the river, etc... and they pulled them out of town after a couple years. We still find them lying in the bushes.

Anyhow, Americans outside of tight urban areas shun mass transit. Even if it makes cost-sense, they value their time and convenience over their money.

Now I gotta go pick up some donuts with my '93 Suburban at the 7-11 that's literally 450 yards away as the crow flies .... :licking:
 
   / Working rail roads and their tracks.
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To reiterate something that was said earlier, concerning the coming and going of rail roads.. They are not gone, but they have switched to mostly bulk cargo so a little history lesson follows. When steel rails started to be laid down some 150 year ago, freight was hauled by river and canal boats, lake boats and of ocean going ships. Freight wagons did exist but they ran on horrible roads and was very, very expensive. The RRs started out filling shipping needs of everything that moved on dry land, even to tiny little towns and factories. As the years went by, roads were built and the vehicles to be used on them manufactured. Pipes laid which today moves almost all our bulk liquid products and they are quite efficient. So RR's have moved towards the bulk commodity as did the ships on the lakes and oceans. Our large lake boats can dump 70,0000 tons of water-ever you might need into your back yard in just a few hours. (one criteria, you need a dock with 35ft draft)

I resided in a tiny little town that had a double main line passing through and a full train went ever 20 minutes or so. (full train, 1 and 1/4 miles long) If you say trains are going out in the USA, move to where they are used and watch them. Trains still run, they are mostly moving bulk products. I'll save this note for later re-postings.
 
   / Working rail roads and their tracks. #534  
I can't find any recent statistics, however, I keep finding references that suggest the U.S. automobile per capita rate is actually lower than most Western European countries, and most mega cities, meaning they own more personal vehicles per person than we do. That surprises me. But the reasonings were they have a larger middle class than the U.S. But if they have more cars, why do they have more mass transit? Couple reasons listed were they tend to make shorter trips by foot, bike, bus or train than we do. Their fuel costs are higher. Their taxes are higher. Their road taxes come from different sources than our road taxes. Their mass transit lines are government owned. Our original mass transit lines like trolleys, inter urban lines, etc... were privately owned and went out of business. We're also spread out more than they are with suburbs. On TBN alone, think about how many people talk about how far their nearest neighbor is, how far it is to a store, etc... There is no mass transit in the suburbs, and the few places where there is, few people want to wait for a train or bus. Heck, I had a city bus line running right in front of this house for about 15 years. I could have walked out to my mailbox and flagged one down every 20 minutes 7am-5pm, and every half hour 5pm to 9pm Monday-Saturday. They moved the line a block over 10 years ago. But still, guess how many times I road that bus? ZIPPO. Let's face it.... Americans are all about convenience and "my time". :rolleyes:

Once in a while, I'll take my bike and ride down to Autozone or the hardware store to pick up something small. But there's a good chance my bike would get stolen at Autozone or I'd be accosted by someone on the way. They hardware store, not so much. It's not "in town".

Another example is that here in South Bend, they've made huge attempts to promote bicycling. They put in bike lanes all over town. Smart streets that are more bike and pedestrian friendly, etc... yet after 4-5 years of it, I rarely see someone on a bike. They did bring in Lime Bikes a few years ago. They seemed to get used heavily at first, but most of them got broken, stolen, thrown in the river, etc... and they pulled them out of town after a couple years. We still find them lying in the bushes.

Anyhow, Americans outside of tight urban areas shun mass transit. Even if it makes cost-sense, they value their time and convenience over their money.

Now I gotta go pick up some donuts with my '93 Suburban at the 7-11 that's literally 450 yards away as the crow flies .... :licking:

Bike lanes going in around and closing streets to through traffic called Slow Streets...

Thing is not once have I seen a single bike ever use the bike lane but plenty of motorists feeling squeezed when former 2 lanes are now 1... not to mention the thousands of gallons water based paint it takes to delineate the bike lanes...

The old KEY system tracks pulled but the wide medians remain collecting trash on top of the landscape.

On a side note the transit agencies here are hurting... BART ridership down 87%, Caltrain special tax imposed, Golden Gate Bridge tolls down... either $2 toll increase or 160 employees let go.
 
   / Working rail roads and their tracks. #535  
I notice how many things come full circle in life. I was just a boy when the freight railroads, and to a lesser extent, commuter railroads, were on severe decline. Now they both seem to be making a small comeback.
From a commuter rail aspect, I think the decline of commuter trains caused an obvious heavy strain on highway repair budgets and undesirable traffic slow downs.
Now the bills are coming due-massive highway repairs, widening, intersection upgrades to handle it all.

Maybe government transportation scientists are reading the data and determining that public rail transportation is a worthwhile investment because it saves massive highway repair expense?

Furthermore, if the existing recently retired ROWs are already in place along with catenary, real estate for train stations and road access to them, why not put public funds into getting them modernized and running again?

Sometimes you have to fail to understand how not to fail again.

From a freight standpoint, I have seen a halt to further decline.....for now....
Our local freight line has put millions into new road crossing signals, track and rail sidings in the last 5 years. They are NOT behaving like a railroad fighting to survive. One mainly localized reason is natural gas from fracking, which according to the incoming administration is going to stop. So that could cause problems for them.
 
   / Working rail roads and their tracks. #536  
I'm back.
It was good.

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   / Working rail roads and their tracks. #537  
Bike lanes going in around and closing streets to through traffic called Slow Streets...

Thing is not once have I seen a single bike ever use the bike lane but plenty of motorists feeling squeezed when former 2 lanes are now 1... not to mention the thousands of gallons water based paint it takes to delineate the bike lanes...

The old KEY system tracks pulled but the wide medians remain collecting trash on top of the landscape.

On a side note the transit agencies here are hurting... BART ridership down 87%, Caltrain special tax imposed, Golden Gate Bridge tolls down... either $2 toll increase or 160 employees let go.

Passenger mass transit will face headwinds while the pandemic is raging. Even though the vaccine could reopen lots of people working again, it seems like the typical office workplace arrangement may be forever changed. Less people going from city to suburbs on commuter trains.
 
   / Working rail roads and their tracks. #538  
Passenger mass transit will face headwinds while the pandemic is raging. Even though the vaccine could reopen lots of people working again, it seems like the typical office workplace arrangement may be forever changed. Less people going from city to suburbs on commuter trains.

State Farm Insurance is one of the largest employers in Pierce County Washington State...

It just decided work at home is here to stay... the large campus in DuPont WA is to be vacated.

In the back of my mind if a person can work from home the job could just as easily be offshored...

SF office space is getting hammered... large companies have paid lease cancellation fees in the millions.

How we do business is being reevaluated on all levels...

Oakland was the jewel of the urban railway... it was possible to go 100 miles on urban rail... there are still some concrete abutments left from the rails that went all the way to Sacramento...

Here is a link with a look back...

Historic Train Exhibits Vintage Streetcar - Western Railway Museum

However it too has been hit hard in the year of Covid...

One of the seasonal attractions was boarding the railcar and going to middle of nowhere in farm country to the Pumpkin Patch... kids loved it... maybe it will be that way again?
 

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