mashed / squished push rods

   / mashed / squished push rods
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#11  
** Update **

So I pulled the engine and tore it down. I thought everyone might be interested in what I found...

both pushrods from #1 cylinder were bent - the one in the pic from the first post and the other was clearly bend mid shaft. And sure enough, after pulling the head, you can see where the valve kissed the piston (pic)

420 cylinder.jpg

I figured we would find play in the connecting rod bearings, but after pulling the crankshaft and checking / measuring everything, the crank is in really nice shape. I took the head and crank to an auto machine shop. They are going to polish the crank and rebuild the head. BUT, he looked at the head and basically told me the whole story. He said he could tell the head gasket was leaking - if you don't see a really clean ring around the cylinder, its been leaking. And when it leaks, it usually goes to the coolant passages and pushes the coolant out and the motor overheats. When the motor overheated, the valve could have stuck just a bit and smacked the piston.

What I find interesting... and I guess it makes sense. If the valve hits the piston, it is slammed back so hard that it hits the rod and can bend the rod, basically in mid air.

Anyway, that is where we are at. The pistons were pretty scored however the cylinder walls look pretty good. I was sort of hoping to get away with just honing the cylinders, but I have to measure them and see how round they are. Apparently that is one of the first things to go on these little diesels when the motor overheats... the cylinders warp.
 
   / mashed / squished push rods #12  
Better check the timing gears or chain whichever it has. Valves don't usually make contact unless something has gotten out of time.
 
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#13  
Timing gears are perfect... backlash within spec, no visible wear or chips.
 
   / mashed / squished push rods #15  
I wonder if the head was resurfaced? I would take extra care and checking on the assembly.
 
   / mashed / squished push rods #16  
I wonder if the head was resurfaced? I would take extra care and checking on the assembly.

That little N844LT is a sweet running engine.
I have it in my (Shibaura) Ford 1920.
 
   / mashed / squished push rods #17  
** Update **

So I pulled the engine and tore it down. I thought everyone might be interested in what I found...

both pushrods from #1 cylinder were bent - the one in the pic from the first post and the other was clearly bend mid shaft. And sure enough, after pulling the head, you can see where the valve kissed the piston (pic)

View attachment 686179

I figured we would find play in the connecting rod bearings, but after pulling the crankshaft and checking / measuring everything, the crank is in really nice shape. I took the head and crank to an auto machine shop. They are going to polish the crank and rebuild the head. BUT, he looked at the head and basically told me the whole story. He said he could tell the head gasket was leaking - if you don't see a really clean ring around the cylinder, its been leaking. And when it leaks, it usually goes to the coolant passages and pushes the coolant out and the motor overheats. When the motor overheated, the valve could have stuck just a bit and smacked the piston.

What I find interesting... and I guess it makes sense. If the valve hits the piston, it is slammed back so hard that it hits the rod and can bend the rod, basically in mid air.

Anyway, that is where we are at. The pistons were pretty scored however the cylinder walls look pretty good. I was sort of hoping to get away with just honing the cylinders, but I have to measure them and see how round they are. Apparently that is one of the first things to go on these little diesels when the motor overheats... the cylinders warp.

Are these pistons installed correctly? Any idea if the engine was apart before you got it? It looks like the valve made contact forward of the relief that was cast in for valve clearance.
 
   / mashed / squished push rods #18  
Are these pistons installed correctly? Any idea if the engine was apart before you got it? It looks like the valve made contact forward of the relief that was cast in for valve clearance.

From looking at the picture, the valve contact appears to be within the piston valve relief area if the piston had been installed 180* from what we see in the photo.
That seems to indicate someone has been there before or improperly installed from the get-go.
 
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   / mashed / squished push rods #20  
Sorry, I forgot to watch this thread as I moved over to the continuation of this with the cylinder measurements. I attached piston installation pages from two manuals. It appears to me they are the correct orientation based on the sketch. I did not notice an arrow.

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Hard to believe they would cast in valve reliefs then position the valves in the cylinder head to align with the flat top of the piston. Maybe those depressions in the pistons have more to do with the combustion chamber?
 

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